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12-17-2012, 11:46 PM
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Both the NHL and the NHLPA can both take a flyng leap.
at least i saved on my Direct tv bill

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12-18-2012, 08:54 AM
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Clearly the "everyone is a UFA" talk is to scare guys like Thornton who are in 2-3 year deals, making guaranteed money. Why mess with that so Crosby can command big money?

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12-18-2012, 09:25 AM
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Wow, awesome. Someone else coming and saying their 'sources' are saying a deal gets done next week. Now you may be connected, you may not, but if you are I'm sure your sources don't know jack. Just like everyone else's sources.
Knowing Bru, and knowing his sources, he is as connected as anyone..Trust me the person he knows would be right in the loop at a high level during these kinda things..Makes me far more optimisitc that's for sure.

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12-18-2012, 09:26 AM
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The upside and intrigue (for me) to a lost season would be that a few franchises will be eliminated.

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12-18-2012, 09:27 AM
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Unnecessarily hostile man
It's funny...I know alot of these guys here (we chat) and if people knew who their sources were they would go crazy....there are people here that are tied in big time. I used to have a source that was great friends with Lou Lams from NJ and some things actually do come true...

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Wow, awesome. Someone else coming and saying their 'sources' are saying a deal gets done next week. Now you may be connected, you may not, but if you are I'm sure your sources don't know jack. Just like everyone else's sources.
Source may be right, may not be but I could not care less what you think.

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12-18-2012, 09:37 AM
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I am hearing next week a deal gets done. Take it fwiw...
what is crazy is if you look at where they are at in this process its really down to that 5 year contract length- and why can't it be massaged to maybe 7 with age restrictions and percentage increases or decreases from year to year.

its so pathetic....I'm sure I'll be excited because I'm an idiot over some things (hopefully just some things) but right now I'm disgusted

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Source may be right, may not be but I could not care less what you think.
well, the stuff I got is pretty good (actually grrrrrrrrrrreat) if I must say and I was told 2 weeks and this was on the 14th so we shall see (one other long time poster who I'd say is well-respected, certainly more than me, knows also and is on board with this evaluation of the individual

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12-18-2012, 09:52 AM
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well, the stuff I got is pretty good (actually grrrrrrrrrrreat) if I must say and I was told 2 weeks and this was on the 14th so we shall see (one other long time poster who I'd say is well-respected, certainly more than me, knows also and is on board with this evaluation of the individual
Was it Quaider? Just wink twice if I'm right.

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12-18-2012, 10:01 AM
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You're one of the best posters on here and one of my personally well respected go to opinions, so ill take this as a ray of light



Good article. Agree about NHL's first offer being what set the tone and unified the NHL against the big greedy mean owners. I know you usually lowball with the first offer in negotiating, but it's too bad the NHL leadership didn't see that one coming
I don't care how low-ball the first offer is, you laugh and make a counter offer.

To quote the inimitable Michael Felger "They bit their nose to spite their face."

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The upside and intrigue (for me) to a lost season would be that a few franchises will be eliminated.

That's highly unlikely.

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This post is perfect.

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I don't care how low-ball the first offer is, you laugh and make a counter offer.

To quote the inimitable Michael Felger "They bit their nose to spite their face."
No doubt, but who would have guessed a bunch of millionaire athletes would act like entitled babies?

A sober person, for one

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12-18-2012, 10:07 AM
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No doubt, but who would have guessed a bunch of millionaire athletes would act like entitled babies?

A sober person, for one
That's why I wouldn't have guessed!

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That's why I wouldn't have guessed!
Left it wiiiiiide open

Church doors even!

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12-18-2012, 10:09 AM
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what is crazy is if you look at where they are at in this process its really down to that 5 year contract length- and why can't it be massaged to maybe 7 with age restrictions and percentage increases or decreases from year to year.

its so pathetic....I'm sure I'll be excited because I'm an idiot over some things (hopefully just some things) but right now I'm disgusted
It probably could be messaged somewhat with the addition of variance, but the PA doesn't like the 5% variance either. They wanted a 25% variance I believe, which is a huge gap and really does nothing to fix the issue of cap circumvention. I think the NHL would likely give up term before variance, but who knows? Maybe they aren't willing to give up either as they are looking for a way to make those non traditional markets appealing to free agents.

Maybe that will be the PA's eventual take home though, perhaps the NHL is making a bigger deal out of term then they need to because they knew a disclaimer likely to be coming to increase leverage on the players side. Keep a couple of cards close to the chest that you can throw out at a later date to give the PA the moral victory they'll need after the DOI happens.

Hard to say, as unlike the players the owners aren't on twitter letting us in on their tactics.

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12-18-2012, 10:45 AM
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Hard to say, as unlike the players the owners aren't on twitter letting us in on their tactics.
JJ isn't on twitter?

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It probably could be messaged somewhat with the addition of variance, but the PA doesn't like the 5% variance either. They wanted a 25% variance I believe, which is a huge gap and really does nothing to fix the issue of cap circumvention. I think the NHL would likely give up term before variance, but who knows? Maybe they aren't willing to give up either as they are looking for a way to make those non traditional markets appealing to free agents.

Maybe that will be the PA's eventual take home though, perhaps the NHL is making a bigger deal out of term then they need to because they knew a disclaimer likely to be coming to increase leverage on the players side. Keep a couple of cards close to the chest that you can throw out at a later date to give the PA the moral victory they'll need after the DOI happens.

Hard to say, as unlike the players the owners aren't on twitter letting us in on their tactics.
I was wondering why this guy @JeremyJacobs wasn't giving me anything substantial.

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I was wondering why this guy @JeremyJacobs wasn't giving me anything substantial.
You'd have to buy something to get info. Do you have a major credit card?

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12-18-2012, 10:53 AM
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but...but...HE SPENDS TO THE CAP!

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I don't care how low-ball the first offer is, you laugh and make a counter offer.

To quote the inimitable Michael Felger "They bit their nose to spite their face."
Spoken like someone who has never had a boss come to them and say "I'm cutting your pay by 24% and until you accept, I'm locking the doors and you can take a long unpaid vacation."

Unless you're Mahatma Gandhi, I call bull crap on your ability to simply "laugh it off" and make a counter offer.

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12-18-2012, 11:41 AM
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No doubt, but who would have guessed a bunch of millionaire athletes would act like entitled babies?

A sober person, for one
Funny I thought the millonaire owners are the ones acting entitled. They borrow money to buy a team, borrow money to run it, and claim that they are entitled to make a profit on hockey in places like Arizona and with franchises like the Islanders.

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Left it wiiiiiide open

Church doors even!
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Spoken like someone who has never had a boss come to them and say "I'm cutting your pay by 24% and until you accept, I'm locking the doors and you can take a long unpaid vacation."

Unless you're Mahatma Gandhi, I call bull crap on your ability to simply "laugh it off" and make a counter offer.
For most of us to have our pay cut 24% would mean we'd no longer be able to afford to live, or at the very least would have to cut out or cut back on quite a few necessities to do so. That's obviously not the case with these guys who can afford multiple houses, multiple vehicles, and a plethora of toys to boot.

Also, players enter into their contracts knowing full well CBA negotiations can and most likely will redefine those terms. In that context, you may not like it but it's something you have to accept. I get a bonus yearly based on the companies profit margin and in certain years because the company didn't meet expectations (set by the owners) for profit margin the bonus was held back. I didn't like it, but I didn't refuse to work because I didn't get it. It was cushion money, not a necessity I needed to live.

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