HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > International Tournaments
International Tournaments Discuss international tournaments such as the World Juniors, Olympic hockey, and Ice Hockey World Championships, as they take place; or discuss past tournaments.

How would Canada U20 do against a bottom NHL team?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-18-2012, 02:45 PM
  #176
86Habs
Registered User
 
86Habs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,168
vCash: 500
You could probably cobble together a sort of All-Time Canadian WJHC team that would give an NHL team a run for its money. They'd need to lean heavily on players like Lindros, and Bergeron and others from the strike/lockout years that were more mature (i.e., 19 year olds) or already had NHL experience (which is why Daigle is there). Quickly, just off the top of my head:

Tavares - Lindros - Iginla
Crosby - Getzlaf - Eberle
Toews - Bergeron - Carter
Gagne - Allison - Daigle
Downie

Niedermayer - Redden
Phaneuf - Weber
McCabe - Phillips
Staal

Price
Luongo

86Habs is offline  
Old
12-18-2012, 03:42 PM
  #177
indigobuffalo
Portage and Main
 
indigobuffalo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Winnipeg MB
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
2010 Spitfires could possibly beat Columbus.

Fowler, Ellis, Hall, Henrique, etc.
Not when it was 2010 they couldn't...

indigobuffalo is offline  
Old
12-18-2012, 03:56 PM
  #178
Nash
Registered User
 
Nash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: North Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,817
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86Habs View Post
You could probably cobble together a sort of All-Time Canadian WJHC team that would give an NHL team a run for its money. They'd need to lean heavily on players like Lindros, and Bergeron and others from the strike/lockout years that were more mature (i.e., 19 year olds) or already had NHL experience (which is why Daigle is there). Quickly, just off the top of my head:

Tavares - Lindros - Iginla
Crosby - Getzlaf - Eberle
Toews - Bergeron - Carter
Gagne - Allison - Daigle
Downie

Niedermayer - Redden
Phaneuf - Weber
McCabe - Phillips
Staal

Price
Luongo
The thread that won't die. You do realize that most of these guys put on anywhere from 15 to 30 pounds of muscle over the next 5 years. It just comes down to kids vs men.

I played in a roller hockey league that let an underage team come join our Platinum division one year. They were very talented, but also very easy to out muscle. They managed to squeeze out a few wins when an adult team would show up with 5 guys, but generally got trounced. They just couldn't compete physically yet. Last summer three of those players, including the top two scorers, won Canada's first gold medal in 14 years at the IIHF Inline World Championship in Germany. There is a difference between the strength of an adult and a teenager that talent just usually cannot transcend.

Nash is offline  
Old
12-18-2012, 04:39 PM
  #179
indigobuffalo
Portage and Main
 
indigobuffalo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Winnipeg MB
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Here's my twist to see if the Junior team could win:

2005 Team Canada WJ U20 vs. 1972-73 New York Islanders

This is in the years of expansion in the NHL, not just for the Islanders and the Atlanta Flames, but the NHL had already ust recently added 14 other NHL teams to the original 6.

Further, the WHA was vying against the NHL and poaching some of the star talent from the NHL ranks, making the NHL a slightly watered down version of itself.

This would effectively mean the Islanders in 1972 were probably one of the worst NHL teams in League history. Furthermore, athletic conditioning and training was much less developped in that era, meaning that the 2005 roster would be much better equipped, not just mentally but physically, to compete against the Islanders.



I would think that this game would be close, but I would give the edge to Team Canada. It would be a high-scoring affair though, as the weakest areas on both teams are goaltending and defense.

indigobuffalo is offline  
Old
12-18-2012, 05:30 PM
  #180
Xokkeu
Registered User
 
Xokkeu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Frozen
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 4,198
vCash: 500
With the advances in equipment and conditioning, the 2005 Canada team might beat just about every Stanley Cup champion before the 1970s.

Xokkeu is offline  
Old
12-18-2012, 05:31 PM
  #181
Sojourn
Global Moderator
Where's the kaboom?
 
Sojourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 23,411
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xokkeu View Post
With the advances in equipment and conditioning, the 2005 Canada team might beat just about every Stanley Cup champion before the 1970s.
You expecting the games to be non-checking?

Sojourn is offline  
Old
12-19-2012, 05:58 AM
  #182
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
Man London Knights of the OHL is like 19 or 20 game winning streak! they sure look like a perfect team with not many mistakes! they sure look like they could beat a sloppy last place NHL team but I might be wrong but it sure looks like they could, especially with Dale Hunter behind the bench!

darmitage is offline  
Old
12-19-2012, 06:15 AM
  #183
Davebo
beep beep
 
Davebo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,620
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post
You expecting the games to be non-checking?
18 and 19 year old players are as big - or bigger - than theie counterparts in the 60's. Kids today are HUGE for whatever reasons. Hockey players back then were terribly out of shape - compared to today, of course.

So no to your non-checking question. If the NHL team goons it up like the broad street bullies then yeah - could be bad.

Davebo is online now  
Old
12-19-2012, 06:19 AM
  #184
Davebo
beep beep
 
Davebo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,620
vCash: 500
In any case it's a dumb theory that pops up each year. Somehow, it's always Team Canada that the question is posed about.

How about Russia? How would they fare?

I think run over - something like this...


Davebo is online now  
Old
12-19-2012, 02:40 PM
  #185
candyman82
Registered User
 
candyman82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
Posts: 2,344
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by darmitage View Post
Man London Knights of the OHL is like 19 or 20 game winning streak! they sure look like a perfect team with not many mistakes! they sure look like they could beat a sloppy last place NHL team but I might be wrong but it sure looks like they could, especially with Dale Hunter behind the bench!
They are still playing against OHL teams. Even the best OHL team makes more stupid mistakes per game than the worst NHL team.

candyman82 is offline  
Old
12-19-2012, 04:32 PM
  #186
Xokkeu
Registered User
 
Xokkeu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Frozen
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 4,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post
You expecting the games to be non-checking?
Why would I expect that?

Xokkeu is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 04:46 AM
  #187
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyman82 View Post
They are still playing against OHL teams. Even the best OHL team makes more stupid mistakes per game than the worst NHL team.
so that means if junior Hockey is that bad then no player in junior Hockey is ready for NHL!

darmitage is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 05:15 AM
  #188
Nash
Registered User
 
Nash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: North Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,817
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by darmitage View Post
so that means if junior Hockey is that bad then no player in junior Hockey is ready for NHL!
What exactly are you having difficulty understanding? Men are stronger than teenagers. That's it. It could be non contact and men would still outmuscle them for puck control.

You are either young and naive or just trolling this subject matter. You've asked the same stupid questions how many times in this thread?

Nash is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 05:23 AM
  #189
BJCOLLINS
Registered User
 
BJCOLLINS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Radio Clash on Pirate Satelite
Posts: 1,467
vCash: 500
Just go back a couple of weeks and see how they did Vs UofA........you guys underestimate the parody in the bigs.

Go Nate and Jo

Go Canada Go

BJCOLLINS is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 05:26 AM
  #190
Xokkeu
Registered User
 
Xokkeu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Frozen
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 4,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by darmitage View Post
so that means if junior Hockey is that bad then no player in junior Hockey is ready for NHL!
No that's not what it means, but it wouldn't matter even if that was what it meant.

Xokkeu is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 02:32 PM
  #191
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
I think this thread should be closed! your the little kids believe me!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm closing out now, the purpose of this thread is finished !I enjoy talking hockey

darmitage is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 02:38 PM
  #192
TwoForRoughing
Let's do it again!
 
TwoForRoughing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: UCLA, Los Angeles
Posts: 2,163
vCash: 500
I think the NHL team would win about...hmmm.....8-0.

TwoForRoughing is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 02:42 PM
  #193
Rocko604
Let's Go Bruins
 
Rocko604's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,525
vCash: 500
Perhaps the question should now be "How would Canada U20 do against a bottom SM-liiga team?"

Rocko604 is offline  
Old
12-20-2012, 03:06 PM
  #194
Nash
Registered User
 
Nash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: North Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,817
vCash: 500
I'm sorry. I didn't realize that the London Knights, Team Canada or whatever other asinine collection of U20 kids you choose to contemplate playing against men's teams was actually made up completely of players that are as good as RNH.

Not sure how arguing that a team of players U20 can't beat men means RNH can't play in the NHL. You do understand that he is an exceptional case. Few 18-19 year olds get top two line minutes in the NHL. The ones who do are generally on very weak teams that have nothing to lose by giving them experience.


Last edited by stv11: 12-21-2012 at 03:13 AM. Reason: was quoting a deleted post
Nash is offline  
Old
12-21-2012, 04:59 AM
  #195
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
I'm sorry if I came across wrong okay, I enjoyed this thread till I started getting called names so I just won,t post any more under this thread or topic but I did enjoy listening to different views and opinions! time for this thread to CLOSE!

darmitage is offline  
Old
01-28-2013, 05:57 AM
  #196
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
I don,t mean to open up a can of worms people but I guess I was wrong and stand corrected, we just had 2 of our best players from the Oshawa Generals at the NHL training camp Boone Jenners to Columbus Blue Jackets and yesterday our Scott Laughton was cut from the Philadelphia Flyers but then again they are only 18 years old!
why does the NHL have to bring 18 year old kids up for try outs at camp when they are all always sent back to juniors? except for the odd few that make it at 18 years old!

darmitage is offline  
Old
01-29-2013, 12:57 AM
  #197
coursy17
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 89
vCash: 500
They should worry more about winning the world juniors.. no? i mean its been 4 years

coursy17 is offline  
Old
05-09-2013, 06:47 PM
  #198
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
who is doing all the scoring for Ottawa??????all the American league players so there you all go!

darmitage is offline  
Old
05-10-2013, 01:31 AM
  #199
roto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 413
vCash: 500
In Finland U20 team used to play against Mestis teams (2nd tier league with semi-pro players) and usually they lost, even when they had basically their best players along. Yes, Canadian team is better but still it's hard to believe that Canadians could beat an NHL team if Finns struggle with Mestis teams.

I feel that many North Americans think too highly about U20 tournaments and the level of play there. Yes, the young guys have some skill and they're able to show it when the opposition is weaker, but skill is not something that is at maximum level when you're 19 years old. Grown ups are better and they also need to be better in order to be able to play in NHL.

In Finland we see these young guys playing in pro league with men and we've also seen U20 team playing with those Mestis teams, so we don't have an illusion that level of play of those kids (or U20 teams) is something spectacular or comparable to teams in professional top leagues.


Last edited by roto: 05-10-2013 at 01:43 AM.
roto is offline  
Old
05-10-2013, 01:39 AM
  #200
AngelDuck
Registered User
 
AngelDuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,180
vCash: 500
They'd lose 6-1...if they were lucky that day. A team full of 20 year olds can't beat an NHL team. It's pretty simple. It would be a physical massacre

AngelDuck is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:31 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.