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View Poll Results: Which trio do you choose for your new team?
Florida: Dmitri Kulikov, Erik Gudbranson, Alex Petrovic 12 4.56%
Ottawa: Erik Karlsson, Jared Cowen, Cody Ceci 57 21.67%
Washington: John Carlson, Karl Alzner, Dmitri Orlov 36 13.69%
Detroit: Brendan Smith, Ryan Sproul, Xavier Ouellet 4 1.52%
New Jersey: Adam Larsson, John Merrill, Eric Gelinas 9 3.42%
Montreal: PK Subban, Jarred Tinordi, Nathan Beaulieu 9 3.42%
Edmonton: Justin Schultz, Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin 9 3.42%
Minnesota: Marco Scandella, Matt Dumba, Jonas Brodin 3 1.14%
Toronto: Jake Gardiner, Morgan Rielly, Matt Finn 9 3.42%
Nashville: Roman Josi, Ryan Ellis, Jonathan Blum 1 0.38%
Phoenix: Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Brandon Gormley, David Rundblad 97 36.88%
Pittsburgh: Joe Morrow, Simon Despres, Derrick Pouliot 2 0.76%
Anaheim: Cam Fowler, Hampus Lindholm, Sami Vatanen 12 4.56%
Carolina: Justin Faulk, Ryan Murphy, Bobby Sanguinetti 1 0.38%
New York Islanders: Griffin Reinhart, Calvin de Haan, Matt Donovan 2 0.76%
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12-17-2012, 01:46 AM
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Sbisa is a safer bet than Vatanen IMO.

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12-17-2012, 07:59 AM
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Ottawa has 43 votes for only karlsonn, Phoenix's core is all offence but sweet. Toronto's is not too bad either. This list will definitley change after this years draft.
Only Karlsson? I guess you're not familiar with Jared Cowen who had a great rookie year, was a top pick and projects to be karlssons defensively minded and physical partner.

I don't know much about Ceci other than Ottawa was very high on the kid and surprised to have got him as late in the draft as they did.

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12-17-2012, 08:41 AM
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PHX...might have voted for NYR if they were listed.

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12-17-2012, 12:04 PM
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Very close between Ottawa and Florida, went with Florida because their trio is more balanced and is considerably bigger/tougher.
PlayerHeightWeight
Cowen6.05230
Gudbranson6.05210
Petrovic6.04193
Ceci6.03215
Kulikov6.01196
Karlsson6.00180

TeamAvg HAvg W
FLA 6'3 and 1/3 200
OTT 6'2 and 2/3 208
*height and weights may be out of date, used Hockey DB.

Karlsson is by far the smallest, but Ceci and Cowen are by no means small, neither tandem is by far bigger.

As a tandem, the Ott group is pretty balanced, but Cowen and Karlsson are individually on the extreems, while Ceci is fairly balanced.


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12-17-2012, 01:00 PM
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Went with Ottawa. Surprised Anaheim has such few votes
Lol and I'm a little surprised they have so many. Lot's of people have soured on Fowler, many don't expect much out of Vatanen or they don't know about him, Lindholm hasn't had his coming out party (should be at WJC for everyone who hasn't seen him in the AHL), and Sbisa wasn't an option.

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12-17-2012, 01:34 PM
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i said new jerseys cuz im a bit of a homer. also because the play of adam larsson was great. and what ive seen of the other 2 have been very impressive

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12-17-2012, 01:41 PM
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Voted Phoenix because STL or NYR, which would be #1 and #2 for me, aren't listed.

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12-17-2012, 02:55 PM
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Ottawa. Already have a proven Norris trophy winner

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PlayerHeightWeight
Cowen6.05230
Gudbranson6.05210
Petrovic6.04193
Ceci6.03215
Kulikov6.01196
Karlsson6.00180

TeamAvg HAvg W
FLA6.033199
OTT6.036208
*height and weights may be out of date, used Hockey DB.

Karlsson is by far the smallest, but Ceci and Cowen are by no means small, neither tandem is by far bigger.

As a tandem, the Ott group is pretty balanced, but Cowen and Karlsson are individually on the extreems, while Ceci is fairly balanced.
Ceci's also not done growing. 18 y-o , will probably grow another inch or two hopefully and game 10 pounds.

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12-17-2012, 03:44 PM
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Lol and I'm a little surprised they have so many. Lot's of people have soured on Fowler, many don't expect much out of Vatanen or they don't know about him, Lindholm hasn't had his coming out party (should be at WJC for everyone who hasn't seen him in the AHL), and Sbisa wasn't an option.
every time norfolk plays against binghamton, vatanen and lindholm really stand out. they're both so smooth.
looking at the poll, the east seems to have a lot of great future defense corps

the poll seems to reflect how i would rate them, except i think that phoenix, ottawa, and washington are closer than the poll might suggest. washington's defense is already really solid. i'm mostly going by ear on phoenix, but i hear nothing but good things. i do know about rundblad, and i still think he'll be a good player. ottawa has karlsson, don't need to say anything about him. cowen was solid in his first year, and i hope he starts putting up more points and cuts down on some of his boneheaded defensive plays. he really has star potential. ceci is an unknown up 'till now, and i haven't gotten out to see any 67's games, so no comment on him.

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12-17-2012, 05:05 PM
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Ottawa.

Cowen-Karlsson will be the best tandem in the league in a few years. Add in Ceci and you have a marvelous top 3 trio. Cowen is really underrated in these boards, the guy has been marvelous in the late stretch last year and was simply unstoppable the first 3 games he played for Bingo this year on both ends of the ice.

Ceci is one of the best offensive defensive prospects around, if not the best. And he is improve on his defensive game drastically. Could be another number 2ish defender playing that number 3 role, deeeep.

I don't know how anyone can say Ottawa is not balanced. I can definitely understand any arguments in favour of Phoenix as well as Florida. Although Florida seems more stable and less dynamic or impacting.

Everyone knows I despise the Leafs with passion but they could have something special. Finn is obviously the weakest point and I can tell that the hype isn't as drastic because there are more proven players on there like Norris winner Karlsson and standouts like Carlson, OEL, Alzner.

I just don't see Orlov as a big threat and think of him as a Corvo.


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12-17-2012, 06:33 PM
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Voted Phoenix, but my actual top 5 would be something like

St. Louis / NYR
Phoenix
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every time norfolk plays against binghamton, vatanen and lindholm really stand out. they're both so smooth.
looking at the poll, the east seems to have a lot of great future defense corps

the poll seems to reflect how i would rate them, except i think that phoenix, ottawa, and washington are closer than the poll might suggest. washington's defense is already really solid. i'm mostly going by ear on phoenix, but i hear nothing but good things. i do know about rundblad, and i still think he'll be a good player. ottawa has karlsson, don't need to say anything about him. cowen was solid in his first year, and i hope he starts putting up more points and cuts down on some of his boneheaded defensive plays. he really has star potential. ceci is an unknown up 'till now, and i haven't gotten out to see any 67's games, so no comment on him.
Well we DID get 5th in the polling so :p

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I get the purpose of the poll, but is it really fair?

Example: Pittsburgh. Morrow, Despres, Pouliot all have very high ceilings but only Despres has played in the NHL (21 games) while Ottawa have Karlsson and Cowen as staples in their lineup. Same with a lot of other teams. Of course people are going to vote for the already established players, which could be the correct answer, but we really don't know since a lot of these "cores" still aren't in the NHL.

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I get the purpose of the poll, but is it really fair?

Example: Pittsburgh. Morrow, Despres, Pouliot all have very high ceilings but only Despres has played in the NHL (21 games) while Ottawa have Karlsson and Cowen as staples in their lineup. Same with a lot of other teams. Of course people are going to vote for the already established players, which could be the correct answer, but we really don't know since a lot of these "cores" still aren't in the NHL.
The answer is definitely not Pittsburgh. It's a who would you prefer question so you can take it as you will. I think cowen is overrated by Ottawa fans. Ceci too. Am I the only one who recalls this being a weak draft (2012 that is) or is everybody too blinded by their shiny new prospects?

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The answer is definitely not Pittsburgh. It's a who would you prefer question so you can take it as you will. I think cowen is overrated by Ottawa fans. Ceci too. Am I the only one who recalls this being a weak draft (2012 that is) or is everybody too blinded by their shiny new prospects?
I never said Pittsburgh was the answer, so not sure where that is coming from. I get that it's a "take it as you will" question. I just don't see how people can give a fair judgement when comparing recent picks to established NHLers.

And trust me you're not the only one who recalls 2012 being a very weak draft class...but that's besides the point here...

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PlayerHeightWeight
Cowen6.05230
Gudbranson6.05210
Petrovic6.04193
Ceci6.03215
Kulikov6.01196
Karlsson6.00180

TeamAvg HAvg W
FLA6.033199
OTT6.036208
*height and weights may be out of date, used Hockey DB.

Karlsson is by far the smallest, but Ceci and Cowen are by no means small, neither tandem is by far bigger.

As a tandem, the Ott group is pretty balanced, but Cowen and Karlsson are individually on the extreems, while Ceci is fairly balanced.
Your math's off. These are the averages.

TeamAvg HAvg W
FLA6'3 and 1/3200
OTT6'2 and 2/3208

Not that I disagree with your point, just wanted to fix that.

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St. Louis?

Pietro, Shattenkirk, Cole
Apparently doesn't qualify.

So I voted Phoenix.

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For me it would be

Ottawa
Phoenix

Florida
Caps

Everyone else. Florida over Washington just because I'm very high on Kulikov and Gudbranson.


Karlsson is better than OEL, and Cowen is better than Gormley. I'm not sure what Rundblad or Ceci will develop into.


If St. Louis were included they would be on par with Ottawa.

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Are we just assuming that St. Louis and New York are the undisputed 1A and 1B?

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Are we just assuming that St. Louis and New York are the undisputed 1A and 1B?
I'm not sure what the OP intended but my assumption is that NYR's young dmen are a little bit older than most of the group included in the poll. Most of these players seem to be drafted 08 or later with the exception Subban and I'm sure a couple others that are slipping my mind.

I imagine St. Louis was just an oversight.

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I'm not sure what the OP intended but my assumption is that NYR's young dmen are a little bit older than most of the group included in the poll. Most of these players seem to be drafted 08 or later with the exception Subban and I'm sure a couple others that are slipping my mind.

I imagine St. Louis was just an oversight.
That's just sad if true.

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Too many snubs for this poll to be useful

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Your math's off. These are the averages.

TeamAvg HAvg W
FLA6'3 and 1/3200
OTT6'2 and 2/3208

Not that I disagree with your point, just wanted to fix that.
crap... fixed that.

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