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12-18-2012, 08:42 PM
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Thank goodness, I drafted both of them in my WJC pool. LOL

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12-18-2012, 09:54 PM
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You don't be silly. Makarov's never lost to Canada so I dont know what your point is.

Also no matter what goalie Russia puts in net...they're gonna win the gold medal.
I hope you're right about the latter.

For the former, small sample size, small sample size, small sample size. Makarov is a mediocre goalie prospect.

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12-18-2012, 10:04 PM
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Wait... is Daniil Zharkov on or not on the team?

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12-18-2012, 10:28 PM
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And we don't really know what stats Makarov would have had if he played all these games. But we know for sure that he stopped 57 shots in the final game against Sweden. I know that Vasilevski is a very good goalie and Iím not questioning his skills and abilities, Iím just saying that Makarov would be a better choice in this particular tournament. In my opinion Makarov is a better goalie against a NA team, and we have two NA teams in our group.
Vasilevski>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Makarov.

Not even a contest.

Makarov would be better against NA teams?

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12-18-2012, 10:29 PM
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Russia will announce the official roster tomorrow.

The WJC team lost in a shoot out to the MHL all star side. They were down 0-2 after the first period and led 4-2 at one stage. It was 4-4 after three periods. Makarov was in goal. Goals from Kucherov, Sigarev, Dyakov, Grigorenko

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12-19-2012, 12:13 AM
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than it is wrong, lol
that's exactly why I thought it was wrong

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12-19-2012, 03:06 AM
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Vasilevski>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Makarov.

Not even a contest.

Makarov would be better against NA teams?
Not the most ridiculous post ever, but you are in contention.

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12-19-2012, 03:07 AM
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I hope you're right about the latter.

For the former, small sample size, small sample size, small sample size. Makarov is a mediocre goalie prospect.
I will wait with my laughter at you until after the tournament for best effect.

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12-19-2012, 03:10 AM
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I will wait with my laughter at you until after the tournament for best effect.
Note that I am not suggesting that Makarov is incapable of having a good tournament.

My point is simply that Makarov is not a great goalie (mediocre in the WHL) and is nowhere near Vasilevski's level. Because of that I would prefer to see Vasilevski start.

I think Varnakov will do the right thing.

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12-19-2012, 03:29 AM
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I will wait with my laughter at you until after the tournament for best effect.
Well, I have seen him pulled, more than once, this year in fact. In a North American league.

Im laughing at you right now.

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12-19-2012, 04:24 AM
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Zadorov, Zlobin, Yakimov not playing at WJC

IMO both Zadorov, Zlobin due to playing CHL. Not good enough, ruined by CHL.

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12-19-2012, 04:26 AM
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Zadorov, Zlobin, Yakimov not playing at WJC

IMO both Zadorov, Zlobin due to playing CHL. Not good enough, ruined by CHL.
This is what I've been saying all along. Guys get punished for being CHLers. Bragin was the only one that didn't do it. Maybe the one decent man in charge of the junior program in years.

I miss him.

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12-19-2012, 04:38 AM
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Anybody?
During SSS Shalunov proved that he can score important goals when needed, I expect more of the same from him.
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IMO both Zadorov, Zlobin due to playing CHL. Not good enough, ruined by CHL.
Zlobin should blame only himself for not making the team. I thought he'd be amongst top 10 scorers in the Q this season, but his stats imply that he's laying back and not pushing forward.

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12-19-2012, 04:41 AM
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i thought Zlobin had a good chance to make the team tbh.

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12-19-2012, 04:47 AM
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This is what I've been saying all along. Guys get punished for being CHLers. Bragin was the only one that didn't do it. Maybe the one decent man in charge of the junior program in years.

I miss him.
maybe they are simply not good enough?

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12-19-2012, 05:21 AM
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This is what I've been saying all along. Guys get punished for being CHLers. Bragin was the only one that didn't do it. Maybe the one decent man in charge of the junior program in years.

I miss him.
Well they took Zharkov who is in the CHL. Doubt it is having to do with them playing in the CHL otherwise he would have cut a lot of players from the CHL. More to do with them not fitting the system on the big ice. Yakimov is playing in Russia and was not chosen for the team whereas other CHL forwards were chosen over him.

Why would he keep Sergeyev in Defense who is in the CHL and remove Zadorov if it was CHL bias?

Yarulin, Nesterov, Dyakov, Mironov, Tryamkin, were all locks in defense as they are mature players in terms of development having all played at least 21 games in the KHL.

With regards to Zlobin..
Yakupov, Khokhlachev, Sigarev, Grigorenko, Slepyshev, Kucherov, Nichushkin, Tkachyov, Mozer, Kosov, Shalunov were all locks. Competition was tough and he did not show enough to make the cut.

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12-19-2012, 07:03 AM
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This is what I've been saying all along. Guys get punished for being CHLers. Bragin was the only one that didn't do it. Maybe the one decent man in charge of the junior program in years.

I miss him.
Sorry, but this is completely BS.

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12-19-2012, 07:07 AM
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Well, I have seen him pulled, more than once, this year in fact. In a North American league.

Im laughing at you right now.
Is this an indication for anything? No, I think it's not. Laugh all you want. There are a lot of ppl who don't know what they are talking about. why should anybody care?

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12-19-2012, 07:09 AM
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when a coach cuts Zadorov - who was very solid on D, yet in one game and keeps Vasilevskiy who two years straight is a disaster on skates, I ask myself two questions: is the coach adequate? or is he being told to keep Vasilevskiy on the team from above?

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12-19-2012, 07:11 AM
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Note that I am not suggesting that Makarov is incapable of having a good tournament.

My point is simply that Makarov is not a great goalie (mediocre in the WHL) and is nowhere near Vasilevski's level. Because of that I would prefer to see Vasilevski start.

I think Varnakov will do the right thing.
Vasilevsky is still very raw. And Makarov isn't behind him talentwise. You are just biased for unknown reasons.

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12-19-2012, 07:14 AM
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when a coach cuts Zadorov - who was very solid on D, yet in one game and keeps Vasilevskiy who two years straight is a disaster on skates, I ask myself two questions: is the coach adequate? or is he being told to keep Vasilevskiy on the team from above?
He can't be told that. Stop the conspiracy theories. You don't like Vasilevsky. But the coach does. The tournament will show who was right. But right now I'd say the coach sees and knows more than you. After all Zadorov is good on small rinks. I don't know if he would translate that well on the bigger ice.

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when a coach cuts Zadorov - who was very solid on D, yet in one game and keeps Vasilevskiy who two years straight is a disaster on skates, I ask myself two questions: is the coach adequate? or is he being told to keep Vasilevskiy on the team from above?
This isn't the final roster, there are 2 more cuts and one of them will have to be D-man. Vasilevskiy can still be cut, although I wasn't expecting Koledov to make it either.

For forwards, I would say the last spot is between Mozer and Kapustin.

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12-19-2012, 09:12 AM
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Sucks that Zadorov didn't make it, I was hoping for him to have a big tournament and move up the draft charts. They're probably worried he wont be able to bring his great physicality to the big ice. At least now he'll be able to help London chase the win-streak record.

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12-19-2012, 09:21 AM
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Sucks that Zadorov didn't make it, I was hoping for him to have a big tournament and move up the draft charts. They're probably worried he wont be able to bring his great physicality to the big ice. At least now he'll be able to help London chase the win-streak record.
well, that's stupid, becuase he was really good last year for Red Army on big ice. I think he's 95 and Varnakov doesn't want to have too many underages on the team, already having some 94 and 95.

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12-19-2012, 09:23 AM
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Well this won't help Zadorov's draft status.. meaning it could be good for my team(s) .

Sucks for him, I thought he would make it.

How much is there hype in Russia for this tournament?

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