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12-18-2012, 11:41 PM
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All hockey fan bias aside, I do not believe WPG could pass up this trade.

I guarantee the people who actually make these decision for a living understand how valuable a player like Steen is. Blues fans always say that Steen is more valuable to the Blues than other teams, but thats entirely not true. If Stewart gave the effort Steen does every shift, he would be a more sought after player than Kane. JMO

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12-19-2012, 03:59 PM
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Except Kane is nowhere near Pietrangelo, and Stewart has had multiple big seasons in the past, so it's not a very good comparison.
It's a fine comparison. Stewart's value is far from Kane's and the only ones arguing otherwise are Blues fans. Why do you think that is?

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12-19-2012, 07:03 PM
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Id do the Bryan Little for Stewart...

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12-19-2012, 08:23 PM
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It's a fine comparison. Stewart's value is far from Kane's and the only ones arguing otherwise are Blues fans. Why do you think that is?
And Hawks fans, and Canucks fans... Why do you think that is?

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12-19-2012, 08:26 PM
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It's a fine comparison. Stewart's value is far from Kane's and the only ones arguing otherwise are Blues fans. Why do you think that is?
Do you seriously believe the difference between Bogosian and Pietrangelo is the same as Stewart and Kane? We can leave the Steen and Hainsey comparison out so you don't look as foolish.

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12-19-2012, 08:30 PM
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when you trade quality for quantity, generally the team that gets quality wins

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12-19-2012, 08:50 PM
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when you trade quality for quantity, generally the team that gets quality wins
Tell that to the Islanders with Yashin

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12-19-2012, 08:54 PM
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Tell that to the Islanders with Yashin
There is always exceptions(although unlike that trade no very high first round picks are being traded and I don't think Steen or Stewart will end up being Chara)

That being said I don't think you can find many quality for quantity trades that worked out good for the quantity side. The only one that comes to mind is the first Lindros trade(and only because Forsberg ended up being almost as good as Lindros if not better, if Forsberg was a good but nothing special player Philly wins that hands down)

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12-19-2012, 09:02 PM
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There is always exceptions(although unlike that trade no very high first round picks are being traded and I don't think Steen or Stewart will end up being Chara)

That being said I don't think you can find many quality for quantity trades that worked out good for the quantity side. The only one that comes to mind is the first Lindros trade(and only because Forsberg ended up being almost as good as Lindros if not better, if Forsberg was a good but nothing special player Philly wins that hands down)
Stempniak for Colaiacovo and Steen

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12-19-2012, 10:26 PM
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Stempniak for Colaiacovo and Steen
I wouldn't really consider Stempaniak quality in the same vein of Kane. Kane basically has a chance to be a first line (potential all star) winger for many years to come who might play a couple times on Canadian Olympic teams

I am not even that big a fan of Kane to be honest and not sure if he will turn onto a consistent 70+ point guy who gets 80+ a few times, but you don't trade a guy who has a very good shot of becoming that for a couple of players who will fill out a roster nicely but won't end up much more then that.

The only reason you don't make this trade is you don't have faith that Kane will improve much beyond the year he was 20 years old and he's peaked out OR you believe you have a potential stanley cup winning roster next season or 2 and have a better shot doing that with the 2 guys you are giving up


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12-19-2012, 11:01 PM
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when you trade quality for quantity, generally the team that gets quality wins
Well the Blues will get quality and quantity if they just keep Stewart and Steen instead of trading them for Kane so that's why we're passing. Thanks.

And LOL at the Pietrangelo trade comparison. I must have forgotten when Evander Kane became a top 5 forward in the NHL.

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12-19-2012, 11:32 PM
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when you trade quality for quantity, generally the team that gets quality wins
So Steen and Stewart is quantity and not quality?

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12-20-2012, 01:30 AM
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I'd do it, and I love Alex Steen.

(The Pietrangelo parallel is laughable though.)

Perron-Backes-Tarasenko
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Sobotka/Schwartz-Berglund-D'Agostini
Langenbrunner/Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves

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12-20-2012, 01:00 PM
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I'd do it, and I love Alex Steen.

(The Pietrangelo parallel is laughable though.)

Perron-Backes-Tarasenko
McDonald-Oshie-Kane
Sobotka/Schwartz-Berglund-D'Agostini
Langenbrunner/Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves
Oshie has only played center for a short portion of his NHL career and didn't look all that good doing it.

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12-20-2012, 02:34 PM
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Oh keep in mind Thomas Steen is a Winnipeg city councilman.
I forgot about this rule that since we're a new team in Winnipeg we must gather all Winnipeg players and ties to the city!

I'd say no.

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Well the Blues will get quality and quantity if they just keep Stewart and Steen instead of trading them for Kane so that's why we're passing. Thanks.

And LOL at the Pietrangelo trade comparison. I must have forgotten when Evander Kane became a top 5 forward in the NHL.
Think of it this way. I don't believe Evander Kane is a top 5 forward in the NHL but he means more to us being here than simply trading him away for fair value so if you want him, feel free to overpay otherwise you're not getting him.

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02-15-2013, 09:15 PM
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Stewart and Steen both outplaying Kane so far.

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02-15-2013, 10:13 PM
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Still wouldn't trade him for these two players and I like Alex Steen.

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02-15-2013, 10:30 PM
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As a Winnipeg fan, I'd do this in a second. I've been on the Stewart to Winnipeg bandwagon before he even came to St Louis. Adding in Steen is even better.

Sorry, but I'm just not a Kane fan. Lots of hype, has speed and hustle, but he's not a leader and isn't earning his salary.

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02-15-2013, 11:04 PM
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yea...no. maybe when scheifele sticks with the big club. Can't really afford to trade little unless its a clear upgrade on the RW.
1st thing that came to mind when I read that too.

I think the OPs proposal is close in value but like Huffer said, doesn't make a ton of sense for either team.

P.S. Kane will probably score 40 next year and look bad doing it. Kid could be a 90-100 point player if he had any kind of brains. He's got more talent then he knows.

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02-15-2013, 11:12 PM
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Little and a mid round pick for Stewart + Rattie? Could Blues fans live with that?

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02-15-2013, 11:23 PM
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I don't think the difference in Kane vs Stewart is that far off. Kane being the best player is obvious but Steen is too valuable to the Blues. I would love to have Kane but I don't think the ceiling of Kane is as high as everyone else seems to think.

This is a no from the Jets POV because he has the potential for a franchise sticker.

As a Blues fan I would say no because Steen is not the difference in total potential of the two players. A pick or prospect maybe...

Also, I don't think it is fair to judge a player differently by how many years they played in the AHL vs. getting thrown into the NHL. The franchise has asked a lot of Kane because they have to whether he was ready or not. Stewart was lucky enough not to be thrown in but I would suspect that he would have pushed forward just as Kane has been doing through his younger years.

The one thing I will say about Kane is if you look at his numbers, each of the major categories is growing at a constant rate. He is a great talent and I would not move him if I were the Jets

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02-16-2013, 12:12 AM
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Yep, and nothing has changed. The Blues still wouldn't trade these two for Idiot Kane.

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02-16-2013, 04:09 AM
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St Louis clearly gets best player in the deal in Kane.

Chris Stewart is already 25 years old, and while he's scored 28 goals twice, he was traded from Colorado for a reason. You don't just give up on a young power forward like they did unless you have legitimate concerns about him going forward. Those issues shined bright last year with Stewart's immense struggles and reported laziness/weight issues.

Kane is only 21, and at the age of 20 already put together a 30 goal season - something Stewart has never done. Yeah, he's a little whacked in the head, but he is going to be a superstar in this league IMO.

It'd be hard for me if I'm STL to give up Steen. I absolutely love his game.

Stewart+ is a good starting point but I think the Steen part needs to be changed for the benefit of both teams.

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02-16-2013, 05:31 AM
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The bottom line to the OP is

assuming Jets would move their best player on a multiyear deal, not cheap, but not unreasonable, the question is

is this the best deal Jets can get?
not just from St. Louis, but the competition of the open market?

Believe Winni gets more...

btw, Rangers would do for Stepan + if we can agree on what the plus is.

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02-16-2013, 07:23 AM
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