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12-20-2012, 08:51 AM
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It will be 95% plus in favour.
Then what's the next step?Decertification?

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12-20-2012, 08:54 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that the problem here isn't the NHL or the PA, but us.

Most of us were reasonably convinced there wouldn't be hockey this season until January, based on the fact this league has shown itself to be a joke in managing a relationship with the PA, the PA itself has proven to be a joke of a union, and they hired a hardline egomaniac. So most of us assumed they'd all screw this up and lose half a season. And guess what? That's still the overwhelmingly likely scenario. However we've allowed the fake drama of the last month or so, orchestrated by those running each group, to suck us in. And now many of us are beyond exasperated.

This is blatantly our fault. It was never going to go any other way.

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12-20-2012, 08:58 AM
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This is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on the league. Count me out.
That contingency plan sounds like we'd end up with Disney on Ice or Cirque du Soleil for the 'new' NHL - a central organization controlling marketing, 'franchises', etc. - so we'd just get differnent flavors of the same company at each 'event' (game). Isn't Roller Derby kind of like that? Or WWE?

What a sham.

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The NHL in the past 18 years have had:

1 full season cancelled
1/2 season cancelled
1/2 season cancelled (so far)


............and yet they wonder why they're bush-league compared to the NFL/MLB/NBA? How about getting some control over your own league. It's pathetic.
And yet people continue to preach "the league will be fine" bullcrap. It wont.

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12-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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Then what's the next step?Decertification?
dissolving the union, and likely, anti-trust law suits from the players.

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12-20-2012, 09:02 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that the problem here isn't the NHL or the PA, but us.

Most of us were reasonably convinced there wouldn't be hockey this season until January, based on the fact this league has shown itself to be a joke in managing a relationship with the PA, the PA itself has proven to be a joke of a union, and they hired a hardline egomaniac. So most of us assumed they'd all screw this up and lose half a season. And guess what? That's still the overwhelmingly likely scenario. However we've allowed the fake drama of the last month or so, orchestrated by those running each group, to suck us in. And now many of us are beyond exasperated.

This is blatantly our fault. It was never going to go any other way.
If the league and PA feel that fans will always come back no matter what type of labour dispute is going on, these lockouts or potentially strikes, will continue to happen. Fans need to take a stand with their wallets and make the league and players pay for all of this nonsense. Until this happens, they will continue to walk all over us.

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12-20-2012, 09:02 AM
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hey roger goodell, have to take down an "i miss my flyers" post?

ridiculous

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The players don't trust the owners one tiny bit. That is what is impeding a CBA. Not a lack of negotiating time.
With an average salary of $2.5M, in the top 99.X% of world earners, they don't trust the owners one tiny bit.

Sickening.

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12-20-2012, 09:04 AM
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With an average salary of $2.5M, in the top 99.X% of world earners, they don't trust the owners one tiny bit.

Sickening.
To quote Homer Simpson:

"Professional athletes, always wanting more."

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12-20-2012, 09:07 AM
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So let me get this straight. The PA more than likely has voted to give the Executive board the power to file a DoI.

Then at the same time, they want to get back to Player/Owner meetings, only this team including Don Fehr and Gary Bettman...

What doesnt add up there?

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12-20-2012, 09:08 AM
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It's not a strike.
I read yesterday that Bettman was preparing papers in 2004 , to bring in replacement players. Maybe they just need to be at an impasse.

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With an average salary of $2.5M, in the top 99.X% of world earners, they don't trust the owners one tiny bit.

Sickening.
This is quite simply an immature perspective.

Compared to starving children in Africa I am a gluttonous, millionaire king.

People make billions off of the player's talents. They have every right to get as much as they can in return.

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12-20-2012, 09:10 AM
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This is quite simply an immature perspective.

Compared to starving children in Africa I am a gluttonous, millionaire king.

People make billions off of the player's talents. They have every right to get as much as they can in return.
Actually, your post is the "immature perspective"

People make billions off the players? I want to see that spread sheet.

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12-20-2012, 09:11 AM
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This is quite simply an immature perspective.

Compared to starving children in Africa I am a gluttonous, millionaire king.

People make billions off of the player's talents. They have every right to get as much as they can in return.
Who makes billions off of players' talents? Total revenue for all of the NHL is around $3B, with over half going to the players, not to mention all of the other costs that are covered.

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12-20-2012, 09:12 AM
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The NHL in the past 18 years have had:

1 full season cancelled
1/2 season cancelled
1/2 season cancelled (so far)


............and yet they wonder why they're bush-league compared to the NFL/MLB/NBA? How about getting some control over your own league. It's pathetic.
Terrible.

Fans need to pushback this time or nothing will ever change. Players will still be greedy and owners will still make bad decisions.

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12-20-2012, 09:14 AM
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Terrible.

Fans need to pushback this time or nothing will ever change. Players will still be greedy and owners will still make bad decisions.
I personally will never buy an Player merchandise. Not that I really did in the past....

We always hear how hockey players are the most humble of professional athletes yet they do this...

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12-20-2012, 09:14 AM
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i guess this is not 100% lockout related so Mods if this isn't ok I'm sorry
anyway, I like the irony of this one...long story short:

Brassard left his euro-team with a valid contract, team is very angry, says there will be consequences and contacted the IIHF
Brassard, who told the team just days before to stay, now says he "don't want to take another ones job"

now the funny thing is that Brassards agent defends his contract-braking guy by calling the team "unprofessional"....his name is Allan Walsh, frontline-fighter against the owners because they don't honor given contracts....

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So let me get this straight. The PA more than likely has voted to give the Executive board the power to file a DoI.

Then at the same time, they want to get back to Player/Owner meetings, only this team including Don Fehr and Gary Bettman...

What doesnt add up there?
Trying to get leverage. Nobody wants to go to court, because it's not really done, so you're not completely sure which way it goes. The threat of doing it, by either side, hopefully, is what gets the deal done.

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That's his job, he's supposed to get the best deal for the owners no matter how much he looks like dirt, but I bet things at least are moving further and less games lost if they "each" tried to start off in good faith negotiations as soon as it was possible.

I know some say games have to be lost before things get done and that's partly true, but that should be down to the core issues/actual sticking points. This should have cost this season no more than a month tops. That's a 82 game season still.
I disagree on this point. It's in BOTH parties best interest to treat this as a partnership. Overall, I'm pro-owner, but IMO Bettman poisoning the well the last time around which has directly led us to where we are now. Both groups should be working together to grow the game, and that's about as far from where we are now as humanly possible.

IMO, Bettman is an inhibitor to getting a deal done. He should have been given a big bonus and been cut loose after the last CBA. His relationship with the players is so poor, and there is no credibility or trust to fall back on in trying to work together a deal.

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12-20-2012, 09:22 AM
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Trying to get leverage. Nobody wants to go to court, because it's not really done, so you're not completely sure which way it goes. The threat of doing it, by either side, hopefully, is what gets the deal done.
I get that...

But they are deliberately acting against their own "wishes" of disclaimer. You can't have it both ways. Either file the Disclaimer stating the Union has taken you as far as possible or continue to negotiate with the PA brass.

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12-20-2012, 09:28 AM
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i guess this is not 100% lockout related so Mods if this isn't ok I'm sorry
anyway, I like the irony of this one...long story short:

Brassard left his euro-team with a valid contract, team is very angry, says there will be consequences and contacted the IIHF
Brassard, who told the team just days before to stay, now says he "don't want to take another ones job"

now the funny thing is that Brassards agent defends his contract-braking guy by calling the team "unprofessional"....his name is Allan Walsh, frontline-fighter against the owners because they don't honor given contracts....

Walsh is a crap shoveler. he will do and say whatever he needs to keep his clients "happy"...[mod]


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Is this lockout the most embarrassing thing to happen to the NHL?

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Is this lockout the most embarrassing thing to happen to the NHL?
nah, eagleson is still more embarrassing. but this hardline cattle stance they have going on all stems from the eagleson years. (it is why they didn't like kelly, he was to buddy buddy)

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Is this lockout the most embarrassing thing to happen to the NHL?
I think for people who follow the sport, yes. I find it to be utterly ridiculous. I understood what was happening in 04 but what's going on now is mindbogglingly. The sport was on the upswing and bringing in record revenue and these idiots can't sort things out? I'm not quite sure if the owners and players fully understand the damage they will do to the NHL if there is no season.

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Is this lockout the most embarrassing thing to happen to the NHL?
Easily... and just might be the most embarrassing in any pro league in NA ever.

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