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Exhibition • Dec. 20 • Finland 3, Canada 2

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12-20-2012, 01:51 PM
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My God. Delusional. That had nothing to do with the point of the post at all.

Let me get this straight... you argument:

"Corrado has played in Russia before, therefore Corrado should have been on this team."

Guess I forgot when all these guys played in the superseries.
It didn't affect Corrado. Why is it affecting those two? Did you not know Corrado was on the OHL superseries team, too?

Top pairing with Hamilton to boot.

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12-20-2012, 01:55 PM
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It didn't affect Corrado. Why is it affecting those two? Did you not know Corrado was on the OHL superseries team, too?
I don't think you're getting the point. They all played in Russia during the superseries, therefore thats not a factor. Secondly, this game wasn't even in Russia today, it was in Finland.

They couldn't have possibly adjusted to the time-change in a couple of short days. They also haven't played with each other in a real game in a long time, they just need to develop some chemistry before we can judge tehm.

It effects all players, and the Superseries has zero pressure. Canada lost collectively and noone batted an eye. This is a different ballgame, even as an exhibition.

Luuuongo > Steve Spott
Luuuongo> Hockey Canada
Corrado> Oulett & Wotherspoon

Honestly this is a ridiculous argument. It takes zero balls to second guess a decision after the fact. Stop cheering for the Canucks and start cherring for Team Canada.

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12-20-2012, 01:58 PM
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I thought MacKinnon played well too
I think so too. He had a quiet, but solid game playing on multiple lines. One of our better forwards for sure.

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I don't think you're getting the point. They all played in Russia during the superseries, therefore thats not a factor. Secondly, this game wasn't even in Russia today, it was in Finland.

They couldn't have possibly adjusted to the time-change in a couple of short days. They also haven't played with each other in a real game in a long time, they just need to develop some chemistry before we can judge tehm.

It effects all players, and the Superseries has zero pressure. Canada lost collectively and noone batted an eye. This is a different ballgame, even as an exhibition.

Luuuongo > Steve Spott
Luuuongo> Hockey Canada
Corrado> Oulett & Wotherspoon

Honestly this is a ridiculous argument. It takes zero balls to second guess a decision after the fact. Stop cheering for the Canucks and start cherring for Team Canada.
Let me get this straight, since I don't agree with one of their decisions that means I don't cheer for Canada?

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12-20-2012, 02:00 PM
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Let me get this straight, since I don't agree with one of their decisions that means I don't cheer for Canada?
Instead of *****ing about Oulette and Wotherspoon's play in a single exhibition game, and whining about how Corrado should be there... start hoping those two improve so that we can win a Gold Medal.

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12-20-2012, 02:03 PM
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How on earth did Corrado manage to pick up 29 PIM in only 5 games the World Junior Club Cup? Kid really must have had trouble adjusting...

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MacKinnon was the only Canadian who had an zip to his step whatever. I hope he isn't the thirteenth forward.

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12-20-2012, 02:07 PM
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Unnoticeable. unfortunately.

Maybe i was watching him a little too much, but Mackinnon stood out for me. Crashing the body and hard on the puck.
Not just you - I thought MacKinnon looked pretty solid, especially in the offensive zone. Showed some nice moves down low along the boards.

Drouin wasn't noticeable, but I wouldn't say that's an indictment on him as you could easily say that about more than half of the team today.

Apart from MacKinnon, the only guys that really showed flashes (in my eyes) were Nugent-Hopkins and Scheifle. Particularly on the PP, they created space for themselves, controlled the puck, moved it quickly and efficiently, etc. I would still hope they were playing at a reserved pace given that it's exhibition - this is a tournament those two in particular should be ready to eat alive.

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MacKinnon was the only Canadian who had an zip to his step whatever. I hope he isn't the thirteenth forward.
Dunno why Drouin is getting top six minutes and Mackinnon is either the 13 forward or on the 4th like. Mackinnon is better and can play wing.

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How on earth did Corrado manage to pick up 29 PIM in only 5 games the World Junior Club Cup? Kid really must have had trouble adjusting...
Got a game misconduct on a hit.

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Got a game misconduct on a hit.
Tough Canadian kid!

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Haven't seen the game...stupid PVR didn't record.

Most of the Canadian players haven't played a competitive hockey game for weeks. There was not much hitting in camp. They just travelled half way around the globe. Some players will be jet lagged. Really no need to overreact to a loss like some on here are. Personally, I'm glad they had both a penalty filled game and a loss. It's better to make adjustments now than later. Winning this tournament is never easy. There are six pretty good teams this year looking for a medal.

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Haven't seen the game...stupid PVR didn't record.

Most of the Canadian players haven't played a competitive hockey game for weeks. There was not much hitting in camp. They just travelled half way around the globe. Some players will be jet lagged. Really no need to overreact to a loss like some on here are. Personally, I'm glad they had both a penalty filled game and a loss. It's better to make adjustments now than later. Winning this tournament is never easy. There are six pretty good teams this year looking for a medal.
Agreed with every point you just made.

This was Oullet's first game since leaving camp, and anyone who watched the Red-White camp game knows the returning guys, especially Strome and Huberdeau, were just screwing around.

The other good news is that we dont have to start with a dangerous game, as I believe we play the US and Russia on the 30th and 31st, so there are still some 10 days for the guys to get into top form

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Hamilton is good, really good.

I'm not sure if the Hamilton Rielly pairing is maximizing both their talents. I might consider pairing Harrington with one of them and Reinhart with the other.

We need to give them a few games to develop some chemistry before jumping on them tho.
I would split them up too, except for the PP.

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It didn't affect Corrado. Why is it affecting those two? Did you not know Corrado was on the OHL superseries team, too?

Top pairing with Hamilton to boot.
Why are you singling out those two players anyway? If you want to blame anyone, point to the returning players in Hamilton and Harrington who were both undisciplined and underwhelming the entire game. Wotherspoon and Ouellet were far from the reasons we lost today.

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Didn't get a chance to watch it boys, what went wrong?

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Agreed with every point you just made.

This was Oullet's first game since leaving camp, and anyone who watched the Red-White camp game knows the returning guys, especially Strome and Huberdeau, were just screwing around.

The other good news is that we dont have to start with a dangerous game, as I believe we play the US and Russia on the 30th and 31st, so there are still some 10 days for the guys to get into top form
ya thats huge, looks like it will be a perfect build up, figure some stuff out in these games before and then put it to the test early on against 2 generally weaker teams (yes yes i know anything can happen but its fact)

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Except I'm not. Unless you can prove me wrong.
I don't need to prove to you anything. I've seen your anti-Hamilton stance for awhile now and your comparisons to him being another Cody Franson. And now, according to you, he's " not even that good " and " not a smart player ". I think we all know the real reason why you feel this way.

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12-20-2012, 02:31 PM
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who started in goal for the fins? Was it korpisalo?

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I don't need to prove to you anything. I've seen your anti-Hamilton stance for awhile now and your comparisons to him being another Cody Franson. And now, according to you, he's " not even that good " and " not a smart player ". I think we all know the real reason why you feel this way.
Think it's the same reason leaf fans get pissed when everyone else makes a statement saying our prospects / players are junk, the worst player on the ice etc.

I can't speak for everyone but that's what i see all the time. Hamilton was no better than Rielly today, yet Morgan was the first name out of people's mouth. Both will be great players for their respected team, move on; the hate will always be there....it's not worth the effort; i need to realize that sometimes too.

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who started in goal for the fins? Was it korpisalo?
Nope. Juvonen started, but Laurikainen took his place in the 2nd period. My guess is that Korpisalo will play in Saturday's game.

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It didn't affect Corrado. Why is it affecting those two? Did you not know Corrado was on the OHL superseries team, too?

Top pairing with Hamilton to boot.
As a fellow Canucks fan, please stop. Sure Corrado could have been chosen over Wotherspoon, but he still would have been a seventh defenseman. Wotherspoon has great attributes to his game as well. It's one game. If you only watched the first SSS game you would think MacKinnon and Huberdeau were meh. You watch the second and they are superstars.

These guys have all just gone through a huge time zone change with no real game action for weeks. That's it. To suggest that Corrado would be immune to that is silly.

How about we cheer for and dissect the team we have here rather than those who didn't make it.

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They look tight. It seemed to me like the team was being Over-coached. I would suggest letting this kids go a bit. Of course now is the time to practice set plays, see what works and what doesnt.

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It didn't affect Corrado. Why is it affecting those two? Did you not know Corrado was on the OHL superseries team, too?

Top pairing with Hamilton to boot.
We are all individuals, different things affect us differently.

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Haven't seen the game...stupid PVR didn't record.

Most of the Canadian players haven't played a competitive hockey game for weeks. There was not much hitting in camp. They just travelled half way around the globe. Some players will be jet lagged. Really no need to overreact to a loss like some on here are. Personally, I'm glad they had both a penalty filled game and a loss. It's better to make adjustments now than later. Winning this tournament is never easy. There are six pretty good teams this year looking for a medal.
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As a fellow Canucks fan, please stop. Sure Corrado could have been chosen over Wotherspoon, but he still would have been a seventh defenseman. Wotherspoon has great attributes to his game as well. It's one game. If you only watched the first SSS game you would think MacKinnon and Huberdeau were meh. You watch the second and they are superstars.

These guys have all just gone through a huge time zone change with no real game action for weeks. That's it. To suggest that Corrado would be immune to that is silly.

How about we cheer for and dissect the team we have here rather than those who didn't make it.
These posts make me like you. Similar outlook on this game as me.

I also didn't watch the game (I'm at work) but I think it's wayyyy too early to panic over ONE *preliminary* game after weeks of not playing a real game.

Props to the Finns for sure, it sounds like they played hard and Canada made some dumb mistakes but there's no need to throw our team and it's selections under the bus.

Not even if we get to the gold medal game and throw the game away again will I turn on our team... I will be disappointed but I won't wish death on the boys

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