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12-21-2012, 01:21 AM
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Thats what I heard on the fan 960 too, they said he had a great camp and when told him it had nothing to do with his camp.

So obviously some politics involved here likely.
The hole camp seemed very fake as I personally thought Wotherspoon or Murphy should have lost their spot to Corrado as he was the best defenseman for the first two games at the camp.


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12-21-2012, 10:19 AM
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Thats what I heard on the fan 960 too, they said he had a great camp and when told him it had nothing to do with his camp.

So obviously some politics involved here likely.
Not surprisingly, Spott (who happens to be the head coach of Kitchener) kept all 3 of the OHL goalies and cut the guy he's less familiar with.

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12-21-2012, 11:32 AM
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The hole camp seemed very fake as I personally thought Wotherspoon or Reilly should have lost their spot to Corrado as he was the best defenseman for the first two games at the camp.
Really, Reilly? Reilly is a top 4 defenseman in these kinds of tournaments. Besides, he was paired with Hamilton, which means it wouldn't let him play his game.

I would have cut Murphy no doubt.

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12-21-2012, 12:14 PM
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Really, Reilly? Reilly is a top 4 defenseman in these kinds of tournaments. Besides, he was paired with Hamilton, which means it wouldn't let him play his game.

I would have cut Murphy no doubt.
Woops that's what I meant. The point is Spott had his team made up before camp.

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12-21-2012, 01:52 PM
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Binnington's resume is IDENTICAL to Brossoit's, difference is he won a memorial cup, Brossoit didnt

Patterson also had a better camp than Brossoit. He was PERFECT

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12-21-2012, 02:59 PM
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Binnington's resume is IDENTICAL to Brossoit's, difference is he won a memorial cup, Brossoit didnt

Patterson also had a better camp than Brossoit. He was PERFECT
No it's not, and no he didn't. (Owen Sound did not even make the final)
They have nearly identical statistics during the regular season in their CHL careers, but Brossoit has a much better winning percentage.

Outside of four good games in the memorial cup Binnington has struggled in post season play, whereas Brossoit has flourished.

Laurent Brossoit
22 Games Played
16 Wins
6 Losses
2 Shutouts
0.928 SV%
2.18 GAA
Playoff MVP

Jordan Binnington
9 Games Played
4 Wins
4 Losses
0.888 SV%
3.66 GAA

Brossoit has led his team to a league championship, Binnington has not.

If you want to look at international experience, Brossoit takes the edge as well playing in the U17's, and this past summer against the Russians. Binnington has zero international experience.

If you want to compare SSS results, Brossoit takes the edge as well.

Laurent Brossoit
40 Saves
3 Goals Against
0.930 SV%

Jordan Binnington
16 Saves
2 Goals Against
0.888 SV%

If you want to compare results in selection camp, Brossoit wins again.

The only edge Binnington has is that he has had a better start to this season. I guess that is what they based there decision off of... I also think it helps that both Steve Spott and Ron Tugnutt are based out of the OHL region.

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12-21-2012, 03:31 PM
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Oops, should've done more research myself

I just recall seeing a tweet from Bob MacKenzie or someone saying that.

Although, didn't Brossoit get lit up against the Russians in the summer?

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12-21-2012, 03:45 PM
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No it's not, and no he didn't. (Owen Sound did not even make the final)
They have nearly identical statistics during the regular season in their CHL careers, but Brossoit has a much better winning percentage.

Outside of four good games in the memorial cup Binnington has struggled in post season play, whereas Brossoit has flourished.

Laurent Brossoit
22 Games Played
16 Wins
6 Losses
2 Shutouts
0.928 SV%
2.18 GAA
Playoff MVP

Jordan Binnington
9 Games Played
4 Wins
4 Losses
0.888 SV%
3.66 GAA

Brossoit has led his team to a league championship, Binnington has not.

If you want to look at international experience, Brossoit takes the edge as well playing in the U17's, and this past summer against the Russians. Binnington has zero international experience.

If you want to compare SSS results, Brossoit takes the edge as well.

Laurent Brossoit
40 Saves
3 Goals Against
0.930 SV%

Jordan Binnington
16 Saves
2 Goals Against
0.888 SV%

If you want to compare results in selection camp, Brossoit wins again.

The only edge Binnington has is that he has had a better start to this season. I guess that is what they based there decision off of... I also think it helps that both Steve Spott and Ron Tugnutt are based out of the OHL region.
Does Jordan Binnington play on "big" ice surface with Owen Sound? I'm not sure where I heard this, but if true, maybe this was another factor?

I've tried to google it without success.

I was floored when I heard Brossoit was cut.

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12-21-2012, 06:22 PM
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Oops, should've done more research myself

I just recall seeing a tweet from Bob MacKenzie or someone saying that.

Although, didn't Brossoit get lit up against the Russians in the summer?
I believe he also shut them out. I think it is clear that Spott didn't intended to take Brossiot, its nice they gave him an invite but why invite him if the camp doesn't matter?

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Big game tomorrow as Gaudreau, Seiloff, Gillies of USA play versus Granlund of Finland. Both Gaudreau and Granlund are on their respective top lines.

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Oops, should've done more research myself

I just recall seeing a tweet from Bob MacKenzie or someone saying that.

Although, didn't Brossoit get lit up against the Russians in the summer?
Yeah, Mackenzie did say something along those lines. Just one of those cases where not everything you read from these guys is 100% accurate.

And yes, Brossoit did struggle in the game during the summer but either way it is a good indication that he was viewed to be ahead of Binnington at that time. Maybe that performance did hurt his chances, but that would seem unlikely considering he squashed those concerns during the SSS.

At the end of the day I think the decision was based on familiarity. It is not the end of the world but it may end up hurting HC moving forward if Subbans struggles continue.

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In his first game against the russians he shut them out and won in a shoot out.

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12-22-2012, 12:32 AM
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Does Jordan Binnington play on "big" ice surface with Owen Sound? I'm not sure where I heard this, but if true, maybe this was another factor?

I've tried to google it without success.

I was floored when I heard Brossoit was cut.
I'm almost certain that Subban does with Belleville.

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Finland beats the USA 5-1 with Markus Granlund putting up a goal. Also, it looks like Sieloff didn't play today. Reffing was absolutely horrible. I remember one call which was Seth Jones got called for slashing, even though he barely tapped the other players stick.

In the 3rd period, USA played extremely slow and didn't look up to par with Finland, hence why Finland scored 4 goals in the 3rd.

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Markus Granlund was chosen the best player for Finland today in the FIN-USA game.

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Markus Granlund was chosen the best player for Finland today in the FIN-USA game.
haha really? I would have given it to Barkov, as the Granlund PP line was garbage today.

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Markus Granlund was chosen the best player for Finland today in the FIN-USA game.
Thats great. I missed the game today, but from my observations against Canada he was Finland's best player then too. It's nice getting an opportunity to view Granlund on a regular basis... It's difficult to catch him in Canada.

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Canada defeats Germany 9-3. Wotherspoon had a goal.

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Wotherspoon with a good game all around, it just seemed like he got better as the game went on. I noticed he started getting more ice time towards the end of the game and he didn't disappoint with a nice finish to make it 9-3.

I didn't get the chance to watch Finland play but I saw that Granlund got a goal as well which is pretty nice. Now we wait for Gaudreau to tear it up tommorow against the Germans

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Sieloff not on the USA roster but staying with the team in Ufa

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=648294

kinda sucks but hopefully he can get a shot sometime throughout the tournament

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Jittery start for Wotherspoon, but he settled in as he got more ice time and had a really good game

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So whats so good about Subban?

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He's got international experience, and he's a subban

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The main post is now updated with correct rosters. The 2nd post (schedule) is also updated with the scores.


Anyways, USA vs Germany today! I predict a 7-2 stomping for the USA.

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USA will make their final decision on who the 7th defenceman is tommorow!

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