HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Tomas Plekanec to Minnesota

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-21-2012, 10:52 AM
  #26
Frozenice
the random dude
 
Frozenice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,279
vCash: 500
I'd trade Bouchard straight up for Bourque.

Frozenice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2012, 11:53 AM
  #27
Sharppi
Nothing to see here
 
Sharppi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Finland
Country: Finland
Posts: 2,671
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozenice View Post
I'd trade Bouchard straight up for Bourque.
No thanks.

Sharppi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2012, 02:36 PM
  #28
Ellerfan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 15
vCash: 500
Pelkanec + 2nd for Coyle + Phillips + 1st

Ellerfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2012, 03:00 PM
  #29
Minnesota
Moderator
L'Étoile du Nord
 
Minnesota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Minnesota
Country: United States
Posts: 14,723
vCash: 50
Or we could let our prospects develop. That's always an option.

Minnesota is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2012, 03:22 PM
  #30
Billy Mays Here
Optimistic Pessimist
 
Billy Mays Here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Minnesota
Country: United States
Posts: 13,284
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellerfan View Post
Pelkanec + 2nd for Coyle + Phillips + 1st

Billy Mays Here is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 12:34 AM
  #31
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
Maybe plekanac and Subban for Dumba, Coyle and a 2013 first.

glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 12:37 AM
  #32
Billy Mays Here
Optimistic Pessimist
 
Billy Mays Here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Minnesota
Country: United States
Posts: 13,284
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Maybe plekanac and Subban for Dumba, Coyle and a 2013 first.
Once again, the Wild have no interest in Plekanec or trading Coyle.

Billy Mays Here is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 12:44 AM
  #33
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
Subban and a second for Dumba and a first 2013

glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 01:04 AM
  #34
Chacal667
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,503
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Subban and a second for Dumba and a first 2013
**** that we keep subban !

Chacal667 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 01:58 AM
  #35
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozenice View Post
I'd trade Bouchard straight up for Bourque.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharppi View Post
No thanks.
Seconded by a Habs fan..... no thanks haha

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 01:59 AM
  #36
Billy Mays Here
Optimistic Pessimist
 
Billy Mays Here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Minnesota
Country: United States
Posts: 13,284
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Subban and a second for Dumba and a first 2013
Wild would do that in a heartbeat but the Habs would never do that or even consider offering it.

Billy Mays Here is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 02:00 AM
  #37
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Maybe plekanac and Subban for Dumba, Coyle and a 2013 first.
What...........

Are you out of your mind? Koivu and Suter for Beaulieu, Gallagher and a first sound good to you? Eff no it doesn't.

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 02:53 PM
  #38
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
Well first you gotta realize that coyle and dumba are and will be in a different league than bealieau and gallagher. Coyle is gonna be a top six gauranteed, big, strong , skilled. Dumba will emerge ( albeit it will take a coupla years) as an equal to Subban. The first rounder is the key because 3 more balls in the lottery gives us a great shot at mackinnon or Jones. The core in 2-3 yrs will be Mackinnon\jones, price, patches, Coyle, Dumba, Tinordi, Galyenchuk, Eller etc. plus another 1st rounder this year. With this year being lost it's like a free year in the rebuild.

glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 03:33 PM
  #39
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Well first you gotta realize that coyle and dumba are and will be in a different league than bealieau and gallagher. Coyle is gonna be a top six gauranteed, big, strong , skilled. Dumba will emerge ( albeit it will take a coupla years) as an equal to Subban. The first rounder is the key because 3 more balls in the lottery gives us a great shot at mackinnon or Jones. The core in 2-3 yrs will be Mackinnon\jones, price, patches, Coyle, Dumba, Tinordi, Galyenchuk, Eller etc. plus another 1st rounder this year. With this year being lost it's like a free year in the rebuild.
Not that far away buddy. And HARDLY guaranteed top six, he'd be LUCKY to make the top six. Dumba can only dream of being as good as Subban currently is, let alone his potential, so don't even put them in the same league until Dumba proves more than that he can get cut from the World Juniors squad.

The lottery, is a LOTTERY for a reason; sure we might have a higher likelihood, but you can quite easily end up with 30th overall.

If you're a Habs fan, please never make a proposal again, if not, do a little research before posting outlandish proposals.

You can't seriously expect Montreal to give up a 1C and 1D (with HUGE potential) for a potential top six forward, potential top four d-man and a first.

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 04:04 PM
  #40
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
You shouldn't be happy with mediocre for the rest of the way. We have an excellent chance to build something special. A contender. It would suck to have to give up Plekanac but there is a price to pay. As goes for Subban. Lets see, fought with 4 different teammates last year, fought with coaches, led the league in minor penalties, cant let teammates conduct an interview without having to interrupt so the attention can be on him. I admit there's potential but theres potential in Dumba and a first with better chemistry.

glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 04:06 PM
  #41
Analyzer
#WeAreBoston
 
Analyzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Renfrew, ON.
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,984
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozenice View Post
I'd trade Bouchard straight up for Bourque.
I'd rather take Bourque and his struggles getting 30 points in 80 games than Bouchard and his injury proneness getting 20 points in 35-40 games.

Analyzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 04:24 PM
  #42
MasterDecoy
Carlos Danger
 
MasterDecoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Beijing
Posts: 9,850
vCash: 1707
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Subban and a second for Dumba and a first 2013
Are you out of your mind?

MasterDecoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 05:12 PM
  #43
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
I will admit that we could probalbly get some more for him. Ideally something like Bogosian would be sweet. Keep in mind that all young defenceman have there ups and downs. Dumba captained Canada to gold at the Ivan Hlinka last August and was the first defenceman in history to lead the tournament in scoring at the under 18 worlds. (7-5-7-12) And yes Subban is something special. He does come with baggage to. The first time a player fights with a teammate, you can chalk it up to emotion. The second time warning signals should go off. The third time is a clear signal you have a problem. The fourth time when Desharnais beat him with his hockey stick was a black eye for the team. Not one player came to his aid and coaches could only say that was a bad scene. We are in a good position to completely rebuild and in 2-3 yrs time have some real success. It would be a shame to derail this future success with players with a history of disrupting chemistry on the team.


Last edited by glenbuis: 12-22-2012 at 06:09 PM.
glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:06 PM
  #44
Hugo Sham
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Montreal
Posts: 10,091
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Well first you gotta realize that coyle and dumba are and will be in a different league than bealieau and gallagher. Coyle is gonna be a top six gauranteed, big, strong , skilled. Dumba will emerge ( albeit it will take a coupla years) as an equal to Subban. The first rounder is the key because 3 more balls in the lottery gives us a great shot at mackinnon or Jones. The core in 2-3 yrs will be Mackinnon\jones, price, patches, Coyle, Dumba, Tinordi, Galyenchuk, Eller etc. plus another 1st rounder this year. With this year being lost it's like a free year in the rebuild.
love to have the blueprint to your time machine for Xmas

Hugo Sham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:07 PM
  #45
Hugo Sham
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Montreal
Posts: 10,091
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
You shouldn't be happy with mediocre for the rest of the way. We have an excellent chance to build something special. A contender. It would suck to have to give up Plekanac but there is a price to pay. As goes for Subban. Lets see, fought with 4 different teammates last year, fought with coaches, led the league in minor penalties, cant let teammates conduct an interview without having to interrupt so the attention can be on him. I admit there's potential but theres potential in Dumba and a first with better chemistry.
fought? you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. None

Hugo Sham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:32 PM
  #46
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
You shouldn't be happy with mediocre for the rest of the way. We have an excellent chance to build something special. A contender. It would suck to have to give up Plekanac but there is a price to pay. As goes for Subban. Lets see, fought with 4 different teammates last year, fought with coaches, led the league in minor penalties, cant let teammates conduct an interview without having to interrupt so the attention can be on him. I admit there's potential but theres potential in Dumba and a first with better chemistry.
1. Plekanec: A great locker room presence, amazing two way player, in his prime, etc. I'd hate to give him up, but if I am, one could get FAR more than the measly return you suggested.

2. Subban: LOVES the city, LOVES the fans (and loved by them), current and future stud, etc.


For Subban and Plekanec, Minny will be giving up a LOT more than what you listed. You could start with Granlund + Brodin + Dumba. Yeah, highly unlikely that they'd do it, but I'd be iffy about accepting even that from Montreal's perspective. I'm not happy with mediocre; trading amazing players for good but not great prospects seems like a one way trip to the bottom of the standings. You can't build a contender solely around prospects, otherwise Edmonton would have won a cup long ago. You really need a reality check, Bergevin would be gone within 24 hours if he made such a deal.

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:35 PM
  #47
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHill Seeker View Post
love to have the blueprint to your time machine for Xmas
Well seeing as Coyle is big, he MUST be successful. I'm thinking Richard trophy in his rookie season, Art Ross as a sophomore and perhaps Hart in his third year. Oh yeah, he'll also win the Selke every year. He's guaranteed that as well, because I know what I'm talking about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHill Seeker View Post
fought? you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. None
It's people who listen to the media. Subban loves Montreal and Montreal loves Subban. He's not going anywhere.

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:39 PM
  #48
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
I will admit that we could probalbly get some more for him. Ideally something like Bogosian would be sweet. Keep in mind that all young defenceman have there ups and downs. Dumba captained Canada to gold at the Ivan Hlinka last August and was the first defenceman in history to lead the tournament in scoring at the under 18 worlds. (7-5-7-12) And yes Subban is something special. He does come with baggage to. The first time a player fights with a teammate, you can chalk it up to emotion. The second time warning signals should go off. The third time is a clear signal you have a problem. The fourth time when Desharnais beat him with his hockey stick was a black eye for the team. Not one player came to his aid and coaches could only say that was a bad scene. We are in a good position to completely rebuild and in 2-3 yrs time have some real success. It would be a shame to derail this future success with players with a history of disrupting chemistry on the team.
Why do you think Montreal even needs to rebuild? You forget that they were in the playoffs for many years preceding this past year. Montreal was hit with injuries worse than perhaps any team in the league. As well, usually removing a #1 d-man and #1 centre ruins chemistry a good bit - not something that a couple of good prospects can fix in 2-3 years...

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:48 PM
  #49
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
Whats wrong with having a Bogosian say rather than Subban and having a rebuild?

glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2012, 07:53 PM
  #50
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,426
vCash: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by glenbuis View Post
Whats wrong with having a Bogosian say rather than Subban and having a rebuild?
Subban has chemistry, familiarity and greater potential. Subban IS our #1 d-man. Neither team makes that trade for very obvious reasons. Why are you so hung up on giving away our very valuable, young assets?

Bogosian and Subban are relatively comparable in terms of value, but neither team would make that trade. I'd also like to keep a good Canadian boy on the Canadiens.

CanadienShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:09 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.