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Diversion: Shortest Paths from Player to Player ("Six Degrees of Martin Brodeur")

This came up on another forum - what's the shortest path to get from Georges Vezina to Martin Brodeur, using only teammates?

I think that this might be the shortest list (but am not sure):

Georges Vezina
Frenchy Lacroix (both on Canadiens, 1925-26)
George Hainsworth (both on Canadiens, 1926-27)
Turk Broda (both on Maple Leafs, 1936-37)
Al Rollins (both on Maple Leafs, 1951-52)
Gump Worsley (both on Rangers, 1959-60)
Cesare Maniago (both on North Stars, 1973-74)
Glen Hanlon (both on Canucks, 1977-78)
John Vanbiesbrouck (both on Rangers, 1983-84)
Martin Brodeur (both on Devils, 2000-01)

Question one - is there a shorter path? Or an equal-length path that's more interesting?

Question two - are there other interesting shortest paths to find? Doesn't necessarily need to be goaltenders, but that's my sweet spot.

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I should note that this is surely easier for skaters, since in the early years, there were a lot of "single season" goaltenders.

(To that point, I cheated a bit, and considered goaltenders teammates if they played for the same team in the same season and weren't traded for one another during that season. Feel free to apply whatever rules you'd like to apply to make it interesting enough, but not too interesting )

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Georges Vezina played with Wildor Larochelle in MTL 25-26

Larochelle played with Harold Jackson in CHI 36-37

Jackson played with Gordie Howe in DET 46-47

Howe played with Blaine Stoughton in NE 78-79(WHA) to HFD 79-80(NHL)

Blaine Stoughton played with John Vanbiesbrouck in NYR 83-84

Vanbiesbrouck played with Martin Brodeur in NJD 00-01 and 01-02

Yes, I know Howe is cheating.

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Good list!

Seems like Howe would be crucial here (unless you're going goaltenders only).

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I had a seven-step one going Vezina - Joliat - Blake - Harvey - Ratelle - McNab - MacLean - Brodeur, but eva unit zero did it in only six steps.

It's always easier when you can get Gordie Howe in the chain. That takes care of 47-80 in one shot.

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Interruptions

Does it matter if there are interruptions? Howe missed seasons between Detroit and Houston.

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Does it matter if there are interruptions? Howe missed seasons between Detroit and Houston.
I think that different rule sets are okay. Personally, a gap for Howe wouldn't matter to me (nor would a gap for Jacques Plante).

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If we started with Gordie Howe, how many degrees of separation would it take to get to every NHL player ever? I can't imagine it'd be more than 6 ...

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If we started with Gordie Howe, how many degrees of separation would it take to get to every NHL player ever? I can't imagine it'd be more than 6 ...
Interesting question - can anyone offer up a player who they think is further than six away from Howe?

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Interesting question - can anyone offer up a player who they think is further than six away from Howe?
Not possible. Through Howe, Mike Sillinger is actually within six degrees of every player to ever play, including one-offs from the Quebec Bulldogs. Do a search for "Two Degrees Of Mike Sillinger" - they went a little nuts there.

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Not possible. Through Howe, Mike Sillinger is actually within six degrees of every player to ever play, including one-offs from the Quebec Bulldogs. Do a search for "Two Degrees Of Mike Sillinger" - they went a little nuts there.
that thread is probably still the most amazing thing this forum has produced

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So what's the furthest someone can get from Gordie Howe?

I imagine that this will be a bit like "Name That Tune", where someone says that it Player X can't be done in four steps, and then someone else disproves that notion.

Could make for some entertainment.

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So what's the furthest someone can get from Gordie Howe?

I imagine that this will be a bit like "Name That Tune", where someone says that it Player X can't be done in four steps, and then someone else disproves that notion.

Could make for some entertainment.
I thought it would be cheating a bit to take some Swedish star from the 50's, like Tumba or Honken. Boy were I wrong.

Tumba played with McKenney in Boston who played with Howe in Detroit.

Honken played with Andy Brown while in the WHA who played in Detroit and so on.

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I just picked the first random recent player who came to mind that played a short time on an expansion team... Dan Snyder. Figured I had a good shot.

Nope. Snyder played with Ray Ferraro, who in his rookie season would have played with about 10 guys who had played with Howe 5 seasons prior.

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The thing about Howe is that it's impossible to get more than about 30-40 years away from him:
1910 - founding of NHA
1946-1980 - Howe's career
2012 - present

I tried picking a "new" player like Gabriel Landeskog. It can be done in four steps (can it be done in three?):
1979-80 Howe played with John Garrett (Whalers)
1982-83 Garrett played with Dale Hunter (Nordiques)
1998-99 Hunter played with Milan Hejduk (Avalanche)
2011-12 Hejduk played with Landeskog

Or an old timer like Joe Hall, who played only a few seasons before his untimely death. This can be done in five steps (can it be done in four?):
1917-18 Hall played with Billy Bell (Canadiens)
1921-22 Bell played with Frank Nighbor (Senators)
1929-30 Nighbor played with Charlie Conacher (Leafs)
1938-39 Conacher played with Sid Abel (Wings)
1947-52 The Production Line.

The PCHA? Here is Si Griffis in four steps ...
1918-19 Griffis played with Art Duncan (Millionaires)
1930-31 Duncan played with Charlie Conacher (Leafs)
Then Conacher > Abel > Howe

Even Stalin can be connected with Gordie Howe in six steps ...
1944 Stalin was Commander-in-Chief of the Red Army, of which Nikolai Sologubov was a member
1963-64 Sologubov played with Alexander Ragulin (CSKA)
1971-72 Ragulin played with Vladislav Tretiak
1983-84 Tretiak played with Slava Fetisov
1994-95 Fetisov played with Mark Howe (Wings)
1979-80 The Howes played together (Whalers)


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Martin Brodeur
Laurie Boschman (played with Brodeur on his 1991-92 call up)
Carl Brewer (played with Boschman when he made his 1979-80 come back)
Sid Smith (played with Sid Smith as a rookie on the Leafs)
Turk Broda (played in front of Broda)
George Hainsworth (played with Broda)
Howie Morenz (played with Hainsworth)
Georges Vezina (played with Morenz)

I like that this mostly goes through the Toronto Maple Leafs organization!

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Martin Brodeur
Laurie Boschman (played with Brodeur on his 1991-92 call up)
Carl Brewer (played with Boschman when he made his 1979-80 come back)
Sid Smith (played with Sid Smith as a rookie on the Leafs)
Turk Broda (played in front of Broda)
George Hainsworth (played with Broda)
Howie Morenz (played with Hainsworth)
Georges Vezina (played with Morenz)

I like that this mostly goes through the Toronto Maple Leafs organization!
You did great, except you were so close to being able to cut out one player. Hainsworth and Morenz were pretty close to the same age. In fact, IIRC, he's needed just to bridge the one year in which neither Hainsworth or Vezina was in the Hab net! I bet that using the same number of players strategically, you could go back an extra 15 years... let me try.

Hainsworth, in 1924 with the Saskatoon Crescents, played with Louis Berlinguette, who played in 1910 with Haileybury in the NHA. On that team was Edgar Dey, who had been with Ottawa since 1903. yikes!

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