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12-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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Kane for Couture would make sense to me. Jets need a center more than a winger. Sharks can just move Pavelski to 2C. Both are young goalscorers.

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12-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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What an amazing young/big D core Winnipeg would have...

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(Are all three right-handed shots too? I think so...)
Yes on the right-handed shot, no on the nationality. Myers was born in Texas, but grew up in Canada and played for Canada at the WJC. I like the idea of Kane on the Sabres a lot actually, but Myers is a tough piece. Of course you have to give to get.

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12-22-2012, 02:11 PM
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Krejci + 1st + 3rd-5th rounder


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12-22-2012, 02:36 PM
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Gary Lawless shouldn't be listened to at all. Guy is a brutal journalist.

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12-22-2012, 02:46 PM
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...184226401.html

im not saying I agree with this article but what would teams be willing to give up? and what would the jets want in return?
Not really sure what his value is but it's reasonably safe to suggest, I think, that it's on the decline for now at least.

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12-22-2012, 02:55 PM
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While I agree way too much is being made of the Vegas photo, the alarming part of the article is the supposed rift between Kane and the vets regarding taking his girlfriend on road trips, and his inability to be coached - if it is indeed true. Not sure about the credibility of the reporter or his accusations, but if true I would think the best place for him to end up is an East Coast team (less travel, won't have to bring the girlfriend along all the time) that has a hard nosed coach (something tells me Torts would get this kid on track). Maybe something around Staal +? Would give the Rags a ridiculous top 6 of Nash-Richards-Gabby, Kane-Stepan-Callahan.
We've been through this before....

Kane is not going anywhere. The last time, it was a perfunctory ? since he had not actually inked a new deal, and until that was actually done, while there was no reason to assume he was out the door, it was reasonable to see, just for conjecture only, what would he fetch (depending upon contract, also).

That said, for discussion only, if offers were considered, NYR offer IMO should be something like
Girardi + Stepan + throw in + lesser pick
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Kane + higher pick

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12-22-2012, 03:01 PM
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Chicago would be adding something significant to that deal. I value E Kane and Ladd each pretty close to P Kane.
I wouldn't trade our Kane for yours straight up actually. And Ladd is our captain and an excellent 2 way forward. Each on their own are in the same realm of value as P Kane.
Yes, Ladd is the same value as P. Kane

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12-22-2012, 03:05 PM
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I don't see what the big deal is. However, trading him would sure help Winnipeg's on-ice product and put people in the seats.
We're sold out this year and the next. There's also a paid waiting list of over 6500+. Putting people in seats is the least of the Jets issues.


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Not really sure what his value is but it's reasonably safe to suggest, I think, that it's on the decline for now at least.
Yeah because 21 yr old, budding franchise players grow on trees. Teams often look to move them

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12-22-2012, 08:57 PM
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Calgary-
Evander Kane

Winnipeg-
Jay Bouwmeester
Sven Baertschi
It's overpayment but worth every penny


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12-23-2012, 02:50 AM
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Sven Baertschi
It's overpayment but worth every penny
It's underpayment. We would never want Bouwmeester.
Any deal from Calgary has to involve Baertschi and I don't see what else you could add to make a deal. Not being an ass, just saying the Flames are terrible partners. For the past 10 years they think they're contenders so all of their draft picks were traded or middle of the round selections that haven't amounted to much and their most valuable asset players are all old and have significantly reduced value. Other than Baertschi I don't see anything else I want from Calgary and that wouldn't get a deal done.

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12-23-2012, 03:00 AM
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Chicago would be adding something significant to that deal. I value E Kane and Ladd each pretty close to P Kane.
I wouldn't trade our Kane for yours straight up actually. And Ladd is our captain and an excellent 2 way forward. Each on their own are in the same realm of value as P Kane.
As an impartial fan i've got to say that this is almost laughable.

E. Kane is 3 years younger than P. Kane, but in E. Kane's third season in the league (last season) he scored 30-27-57. While P. Kane in his third season in the league scored 30-58-88 and had 28 points in 22 playoff games en route to a Stanley Cup. I don't see how E. Kane is on any sort of trajectory that would have him be better than P. Kane in the future.

Ladd was on the Blackhawks for 3 seasons. There was not a single game where he was considered better than Patrick Kane.

I will definitley agree that both Ladd and E. Kane have intangibles that P. Kane doesn't have such as leadership (Ladd), hitting (Kane), and defensive play (Ladd).

But considering that P. Kane's career low in points is still higher than either of E. Kane or Ladd's career highs, I don't see how you could possibly consider either of them equal to Kane.

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Bennett + Morrow + 2nd
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Yes, Ladd is the same value as P. Kane
To us he does. No interest in Patrick Kane. I firmly believe that he gets a bad rap, but tbh, I'd rather have Andrew Ladd.

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12-23-2012, 10:38 AM
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Kane for Couture would make sense to me. Jets need a center more than a winger. Sharks can just move Pavelski to 2C. Both are young goalscorers.
I would do this I think

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12-23-2012, 10:42 AM
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Kane for Couture would make sense to me. Jets need a center more than a winger. Sharks can just move Pavelski to 2C. Both are young goalscorers.
Maybe it's just homerism, but I see Couture as far more valuable. He's a well rounded, two way centreman capable of playing on the top line with huge potential. Both are very young, but Couture seems like a pretty mellow guy off the ice, whereas Kane has his share of troubles. We like Pavs on big Joe's wing because Pavs can score, and Joe's a great passer.

This deal would help you, but not us. Perhaps try something with the Pens? I hear Sid needs a goalscoring winger.

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12-23-2012, 11:18 AM
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Maybe it's just homerism, but I see Couture as far more valuable. He's a well rounded, two way centreman capable of playing on the top line with huge potential. Both are very young, but Couture seems like a pretty mellow guy off the ice, whereas Kane has his share of troubles. We like Pavs on big Joe's wing because Pavs can score, and Joe's a great passer.

This deal would help you, but not us. Perhaps try something with the Pens? I hear Sid needs a goalscoring winger.
Idk about far more valuable, but I can see more valuable. Couture could be something else.

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12-23-2012, 07:05 PM
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Kane for Couture would make sense to me. Jets need a center more than a winger. Sharks can just move Pavelski to 2C. Both are young goalscorers.
This is the type of deal that would interest me as a Jets fan.

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12-23-2012, 07:30 PM
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Maybe it's just homerism, but I see Couture as far more valuable. He's a well rounded, two way centreman capable of playing on the top line with huge potential. Both are very young, but Couture seems like a pretty mellow guy off the ice, whereas Kane has his share of troubles. We like Pavs on big Joe's wing because Pavs can score, and Joe's a great passer.

This deal would help you, but not us. Perhaps try something with the Pens? I hear Sid needs a goalscoring winger.
Nah, wouldn't help me much. I'm a Hawks fan who wants Pavelski as our second line center. I just saw this as a reasonable trade. Maybe Jets add a depth player because that is what SJ really seems to be lacking. It isn't nice when you have to protect your 3rd liners the way SJ is forced to.

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It's underpayment. We would never want Bouwmeester.
Any deal from Calgary has to involve Baertschi and I don't see what else you could add to make a deal. Not being an ass, just saying the Flames are terrible partners. For the past 10 years they think they're contenders so all of their draft picks were traded or middle of the round selections that haven't amounted to much and their most valuable asset players are all old and have significantly reduced value. Other than Baertschi I don't see anything else I want from Calgary and that wouldn't get a deal done.
Hahaha take off your rose-coloured glasses buddy. You wouldn't get anything more then that added, it's a huge overpayment. You get a #1 d-man and one of the best prospects in the league for Kane. If Baertschi comes near what his potential is it's a win for you by a country mile.

Not to say I would do it. It is pretty awful for the flames and the deal itself makes no sense for them anyways.

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Hahaha take off your rose-coloured glasses buddy. You wouldn't get anything more then that added, it's a huge overpayment. You get a #1 d-man and one of the best prospects in the league for Kane. If Baertschi comes near what his potential is it's a win for you by a country mile.

Not to say I would do it. It is pretty awful for the flames and the deal itself makes no sense for them anyways.
Uhhhh....what?

Bouwmeester hasn't hit 30 points in the past 3 seasons. During that time he has scored 12 goals. He is also making north of $6.5 mil per season and is a UFA at the end of next season. I want nothing to do with Jay "I play about as hard as a soft puppy" Bouwmeester.

Along with that....when did Baertschi become some HUGE HIGHLY TOUTED talent? He's had some pretty good stats in junior but other than that...meh. If we had to do the draft over again, the Jets should still have taken Scheifele in their position.

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Hahaha take off your rose-coloured glasses buddy. You wouldn't get anything more then that added, it's a huge overpayment. You get a #1 d-man and one of the best prospects in the league for Kane. If Baertschi comes near what his potential is it's a win for you by a country mile.

Not to say I would do it. It is pretty awful for the flames and the deal itself makes no sense for them anyways.
Bouwmeester has nearly negative, or minimal value to the Jets, and the Flames would be thrilled if Baertschi becomes half the player Kane will be. So no, I don't see this wearing any glasses.

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Uhhhh....what?

Bouwmeester hasn't hit 30 points in the past 3 seasons. During that time he has scored 12 goals. He is also making north of $6.5 mil per season and is a UFA at the end of next season. I want nothing to do with Jay "I play about as hard as a soft puppy" Bouwmeester.

Along with that....when did Baertschi become some HUGE HIGHLY TOUTED talent? He's had some pretty good stats in junior but other than that...meh. If we had to do the draft over again, the Jets should still have taken Scheifele in their position.
Almost made me **** my pants laughing, Props to you, this has to be on his next hockey card!

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Uhhhh....what?

Bouwmeester hasn't hit 30 points in the past 3 seasons. During that time he has scored 12 goals. He is also making north of $6.5 mil per season and is a UFA at the end of next season. I want nothing to do with Jay "I play about as hard as a soft puppy" Bouwmeester.

Along with that....when did Baertschi become some HUGE HIGHLY TOUTED talent? He's had some pretty good stats in junior but other than that...meh. If we had to do the draft over again, the Jets should still have taken Scheifele in their position.
While JayBo may be softer than Buff's gut, he's still a top pairing defenseman. I think that's what it would take to pry away Kane, a top pairing defenseman and a blue chip prospect. Jets really have no reason to move him. Baertschi, being the 9th ranked prospect in the world should make up for JayBo's deficiencies. I'd love to see Kane play with Iggy.

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12-24-2012, 10:16 AM
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Tomas Plekanec + Brendan Gallagher + 2nd round pick

A 60 point 2 way center and a young prospect for a 30 goal guy. I added the 2nd round because I love Kane.

Or

Eller + Charles Hudon + 2nd round

I think Eller will pan out to be a 25/25 shutdown center. + He is 6.02 and was looking beaslty back in July on those pics.

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