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12-21-2012, 05:48 PM
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How many lockouts have there been in the MLB recently? There's less wealthy teams in every league, even the nfl. Look at the rams for example. Just the way it is.
MLB makes huge $$$ via TV deal , etc

NHL doesn't

Comparing the plight of poor teams in other sports isn't accurate

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12-21-2012, 05:50 PM
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Not all MLB teams have big TV deals.

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The owners can survive just fine without the players.

Most of them have more money than what most players would make in their lifetime even excluding the value of the club they own.

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12-21-2012, 05:51 PM
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At end of day I just want it to end one way or another

The more the players talk the more I just shake my head especially hearing the Ex Hawks/Current Hawks

Is it not reasonable to expect an NHL player to have some common sense? Prust making fun of a fan's income , Upshall claiming how poorly players are treated "Like Cattle" , Idiotic lockout problems tweets , etc

It just gets sickening after a while to here these guys complain about how tough there life is

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12-21-2012, 05:52 PM
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If you don't want Toews, we'll take him.
Gonna have to build package around Parise

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If we had them, I would trade 3 Parises for Toews.

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12-21-2012, 05:58 PM
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If we had them, I would trade 3 Parises for Toews.
Parise-Parise-Kane
Parise-Sharp-Hossa

I could live with that top 6

Though the lack of size on top line would be issue

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Parise-Parise-Kane
Parise-Sharp-Hossa

I could live with that top 6

Though the lack of size on top line would be issue
Done.haha

Reminds me when we had Parise playing centre at one stage. Sad days.

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12-21-2012, 06:05 PM
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Done.haha

Reminds me when we had Parise playing centre at one stage. Sad days.
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You want sad

Try watching Patrick Kane or Marcus Kruger as your #2 C (or Michael Frolik/Tomas Kopecky)

Hossa really has gotten screwed by Hawks these past 2 years since they moved Sharp back to Wing

Bolland/Kopecky/Frolik/Kane/Kruger at C for him

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I thought Patty Kane done alright at centre?

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I thought Patty Kane done alright at centre?
He sucks defensively and his offensive game IMO takes a hit at C

He also isn't that good at faceoffs and it is just a complete waste

Sharp is proven C (Hawks won a freaking cup with him as #2 C) ,, Yet the team refuses to use him there

Line 1 = Toews/Kane + 3rd wheel (Stalberg or Saad)
Line 2 = Sharp/Hossa + 3rd wheel (Stalberg or Saad)

Makes sense to everyone not coach Q

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12-21-2012, 06:38 PM
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Can someone explain to me why NHLPA and media keep bringing up "How wonderful" baseball model is?

Go talk to Royal/Pirate/Blue Jay/Marlin , etc fan about how wonderful MLB financial setup is
Considering you have mediocrity like Edwin Jackson making $10+ million per year, it is wonderful for players. The 'middle class' make out very well in baseball, not just the elite. And the A-Rods/Pujolses can get 10+ year deals at monster money.

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Can someone explain to me why NHLPA and media keep bringing up "How wonderful" baseball model is?
Because Fehr.

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Considering you have mediocrity like Edwin Jackson making $10+ million per year, it is wonderful for players. The 'middle class' make out very well in baseball, not just the elite. And the A-Rods/Pujolses can get 10+ year deals at monster money.
Angel Pagan got 4 years, 40 million. My sane Giants friend seemed to be pretty happy with the contract. I felt like I was in a Twilight Zone episode.

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Considering you have mediocrity like Edwin Jackson making $10+ million per year, it is wonderful for players. The 'middle class' make out very well in baseball, not just the elite. And the A-Rods/Pujolses can get 10+ year deals at monster money.
To be fair, the MLB middle class getting severely overpaid is a recent pheomenon that has taken a life of its own this offeseason.

The baseball model is good in a sense that every team will either have on field success, monetary success, or both. Also, we haven't seen a strike in nearly 20 years.

That being said, the NHL and MLB are two totally different leagues and the model doesn't necessarily translate well for both parties.

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12-21-2012, 08:26 PM
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The biggest problem with the baseball model from a fan perspective is you have weasels like Loria and guys in other cities who pocket revenue sharing money to profit and don't put it back in the team. They can get away with it since there's no real salary floor.

Fehr may want to aspire to a baseball model, but there really isn't enough money in the sport to make a difference even with extensive revenue sharing. And revenue sharing would only be the top five teams paying a ****load of money out in the NHL. At least in baseball I think more teams pay revenue sharing.

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12-21-2012, 09:46 PM
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The issue with hockey is not the total amount it takes in as a whole. The problem is disparity and lack of revenue sharing. The NFL is successful, up a down not because of the total amount the league takes in, which is a ton obviously, but because it is all centrally driven and distributed equally. There is no local tv outside the preseason, that eliminates great disparity. If the NHL worked this way where the league sold all media rights local and national, do you think the disparity problem would exist? It wouldn't.

Also, MLB revenue sharing goes beyond the luxury tax. I believe each team has to out a portion of their local media rights into a pool which is then used for revenue sharing.

The solution for NHL should be to do that along with setting up a system where the previous midpoint (would be the 50% cap) is a soft cap with a hard cap at the previous 57% number. For every dollar you are over the soft cap you have to pay 2 for 1 in luxury tax which goes to the poorer teams. The Cap floor would be 16 million under the soft number.

That drops the floor helping poorer teams along with putting more money for revenue sharing. Players would be guaranteed 50-57 of the overall. After a few years almost every team would try to stay under soft cap because of the high tax, bring players share close to 50%. Also with this you may also try and get the players to give a little on the contractual stuff making it easier for teams to stay under the soft cap.

There needs to be revenue sharing given the most of the money is locally generated. It in the end makes for a stronger league, which every one benefits from.

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12-21-2012, 10:12 PM
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Chris Christie chiming in on the lockout lol

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pr...html?scpromo=1

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“When you can’t have a good relationship with your folks, your labor, three times in a row now to the point where you lose most of or entire seasons, it reflects I think on management,” he said. “I mean listen I worked it out with state workers they come to work every day.”

“It’s funny, it’s another one of these typical fights between billionaires and millionaires that can’t figure out how to divide the money up and you’ve got to wonder about the leadership of the National Hockey League,” he said. “This is the third time this has happened in recent memory. You know, that’s bad management.”
More and more he's become one of the few Republicans I actually like

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12-21-2012, 10:20 PM
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Its great management when Christie dictates negotiations but terrible management when the NHL does it.

Ok then.

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I'n surprised Christie said the part about millionaires, and billionaires fighting. That seems kinda taboo for a republican figure to say that especially in these days. I like it though.

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Frankly at this point if Toews/Bolland never play for Hawks again I can probably live with it
Ya, you don't actually mean that.

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I'n surprised Christie said the part about millionaires, and billionaires fighting. That seems kinda taboo for a republican figure to say that especially in these days. I like it though.
They will have to move away from their perception as the party of only the rich and the religious. That's what Christie is doing.

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No, Christie just wants them to play so the state can profit off there being games.

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No, Christie just wants them to play so the state can profit off there being games.
I'm sure he does. It just seems in these days if a republican says something about billionaires fighting millionaires it's taboo, and it's like class warfare as they call it.

Anyway not putting a political spin on it. You just don't hear those kind of statements from a republican in office. They would usually beat around the bush about it without bringing up millionaires, and billionaires. I don't blame Christie at all and that's why I said I like it.

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Why did CD create this thread with a "News Article" prefix since it's not really a News Article?


Anyway...


So there's going to be a complete cancellation of the season it seems.


I think I speak for some here when I say "F.U. NHL OWNERS AND PLAYERS!"


Because of them, I'm forced to be subjected to watching my Jets SUCK and not have the NHL to fall back on......

I hope all the players/Owners lose LOTS of money in the future for being total dooshes.

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we will have a season. relax. one good meeting and this whole thread will be predicting stanley cup winners. once they get back to the table, i think they will be able to reach a deal.

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