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Tomas Plekanec to Minnesota

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12-22-2012, 10:22 PM
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If u wanna try and think of all the ways we are not far from the top you can put up a decent argument. Three years ago we were in the final four, Two years ago we took the eventual cup champions to game seven. Last year was a write-off because of injuries. A healthier team with added grit this year and there's no doubt we'll be back in the play-offs. Lots of prospects and draft picks built up and you can see it's getting better. (So far, would what i just said be reasonable?)


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12-22-2012, 10:54 PM
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Don't answer. Let me finish. On the downside there's issues. When we got to the final four, between out of this world goal=tending and some breaks we knocked off two top seeds. I think you would have to admit that we never really dominated and caught a few breaks along the way. Against Boston we were so close. But again were we really equipped well for three more rounds. From then on it's been down hill do to injuries. If we keep all the same players who get injured a lot ie. Markov, thats proballbly gonna happen again. So if we don't rebuild at this stage, we will probalbly make the play-offs but really are we really gonna be a serious contender?

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12-22-2012, 11:05 PM
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Then think about the team that could be assembled in yes, three years. For one you can't say that Subban is chemistry. After which fight with what teammate did you come to that conclusion? If you really think for a while about the potential of a rebuild at this stage, we could have a real contender in yes 3 yrs. Weve waited since 92-93, so whats another 3yrs. We wouldn't be like the Oilers with 4 BigStars and not much else, but say 8-10 good stars

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12-23-2012, 02:45 AM
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If u wanna try and think of all the ways we are not far from the top you can put up a decent argument. Three years ago we were in the final four, Two years ago we took the eventual cup champions to game seven. Last year was a write-off because of injuries. A healthier team with added grit this year and there's no doubt we'll be back in the play-offs. Lots of prospects and draft picks built up and you can see it's getting better. (So far, would what i just said be reasonable?)
OK... thanks for the arguments? They could quite possibly regain their form - I believe this season was a bit of an anomaly.

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Don't answer. Let me finish. On the downside there's issues. When we got to the final four, between out of this world goal=tending and some breaks we knocked off two top seeds. I think you would have to admit that we never really dominated and caught a few breaks along the way. Against Boston we were so close. But again were we really equipped well for three more rounds. From then on it's been down hill do to injuries. If we keep all the same players who get injured a lot ie. Markov, thats proballbly gonna happen again. So if we don't rebuild at this stage, we will probalbly make the play-offs but really are we really gonna be a serious contender?
Look no further than our latest cup champions - the LA Kings. A hot goaltender and a team running full steam can work wonders. Montreal has a great young core that can arguably rival that of the kings (yes, I believe the Kings aren't as good as they seemed), and have a much better prospect pool. Both teams have in my mind, the two most valuable (take into account age) goaltenders in the league.

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Then think about the team that could be assembled in yes, three years. For one you can't say that Subban is chemistry. After which fight with what teammate did you come to that conclusion? If you really think for a while about the potential of a rebuild at this stage, we could have a real contender in yes 3 yrs. Weve waited since 92-93, so whats another 3yrs. We wouldn't be like the Oilers with 4 BigStars and not much else, but say 8-10 good stars
You're right, they hate each other: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeNYifK-Nc Seems like decent chemistry with the most important piece in Montreal, with him being the second most important.

Please, we've got an amazing young core of Pacioretty, Subban, Price with relatively young veterans Gorges and Plekanec also in the core. Galchenyuk is looking phenomenal, our prospect pool is great and we've got great veteran leadership that can chip in offensively with Gionta and Markov. As well, I'm leaving out all the great young players like Desharnais, Diaz, etc.

What you're suggesting is what goes against the spirit of the Montreal Canadiens; purposely tanking for better draft choices.


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12-23-2012, 08:40 AM
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Doesn't make sense for us. Brodziak could probably step into the top six if needed, we have Granlund and Cullen, and in a worst case scenario Mitchell since we're likely to be racked by injuries. We need a defenseman much, much more than another center. Something around Diaz maybe?

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Why do you think Montreal even needs to rebuild? You forget that they were in the playoffs for many years preceding this past year. Montreal was hit with injuries worse than perhaps any team in the league. As well, usually removing a #1 d-man and #1 centre ruins chemistry a good bit - not something that a couple of good prospects can fix in 2-3 years...
You weren't playing Warren Peters and Cody Almond with an injured Heatley on the top line.

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12-23-2012, 10:18 AM
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The only player in the Minnesota line-up (aside from the obvious new signing this summer) which the Habs might be interested in is Danny Heatley. Enigmatic yes, but big body and he knows where the net is.

So if the Habs buy out Gomez, while I'm not in favour of trading Plekanec as I have a feeling he'll bounce back, I could see something there... maybe. But I highly doubt it.

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The only player in the Minnesota line-up (aside from the obvious new signing this summer) which the Habs might be interested in is Danny Heatley. Enigmatic yes, but big body and he knows where the net is.
Haha, that would make the relationship and games with Sens even better.

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The only player in the Minnesota line-up (aside from the obvious new signing this summer) which the Habs might be interested in is Danny Heatley. Enigmatic yes, but big body and he knows where the net is.

So if the Habs buy out Gomez, while I'm not in favour of trading Plekanec as I have a feeling he'll bounce back, I could see something there... maybe. But I highly doubt it.
And he's a left wing. I could definitely see it - he's just what the Habs need. I don't think I'd be opposed, I liked him as a Shark and I would as a Hab.

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12-23-2012, 12:58 PM
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Heatley can stay in Minnesota. For Gomez maybe. He's like one of the three going to see the wizard of oz and he's the one looking for a heart.

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12-23-2012, 03:55 PM
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Why would the Wild, who finished dead last in goals scored last year, trade away their best offensive player from last season? Some people in here aren't thinking about what the Wild actually need, just what the Habs need.

Now would Montreal have any interest in trading away Y. Weber? The Wild could very much use some increased depth on defense.

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12-23-2012, 04:20 PM
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What about YannickWeber, a 2nd and a third in 2013 for Minnesota's 2013 first.

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Why would the Wild, who finished dead last in goals scored last year, trade away their best offensive player from last season? Some people in here aren't thinking about what the Wild actually need, just what the Habs need.

Now would Montreal have any interest in trading away Y. Weber? The Wild could very much use some increased depth on defense.
I think a 2nd round pick and a mid-tier prospect would be a fair price.

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What about YannickWeber, a 2nd and a third in 2013 for Minnesota's 2013 first.
If they use the previous format, Wild will have 3 balls with like 6 other teams.

So they say big 'NO'.

I don't see any reason for the Wild to trade 2013 1st unless it's for a 1st pairing Dman.

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You weren't playing Warren Peters and Cody Almond with an injured Heatley on the top line.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...ost-to-injury/

Montreal lost more players to injury (in terms of games) than anyone else.

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12-24-2012, 09:34 PM
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The only player from the Wild I'd want for Plekanec is Dumba. I doubt Minny fans would want to trade him. I read Dumba has not progressed well since the draft, but he's still a top pick.
SOLD ... where do we sign the trade papers!!

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What about YannickWeber, a 2nd and a third in 2013 for Minnesota's 2013 first.
No, Minnesota adds.. Greatly...

Started drinking early... I hope.

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No, Minnesota adds.. Greatly...

Started drinking early... I hope.
I don't understand my friend. Do you believe I would be giving away to much in exchange for their first round pick?

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Montreal lost more players to injury (in terms of games) than anyone else.
Do those injuries include key players? (including four players from Montreal's top-six, and both starting and backup goalies, which required an emergency call-up and amateur signing?)

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What about YannickWeber, a 2nd and a third in 2013 for Minnesota's 2013 first.
Give me your 1st in a strong draft and I'll send my small, 3rd pairing blueliner and a pair of lower picks.

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Do those injuries include key players? (including four players from Montreal's top-six, and both starting and backup goalies, which required an emergency call-up and amateur signing?)
of course they do. including their 2nd best d man - markov, + kostitsyn, cammalleri, moen, gionta and price who were all out for at least 15+ games

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Give me your 1st in a strong draft and I'll send my small, 3rd pairing blueliner and a pair of lower picks.
Yeah i never really believed for a moment that that would fly. sorry

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Like Plekanec as a player, but don't see a point in trading for him. Koivu, Granlund, Brodziak, Cullen is a good group of centers. Granlund might not be a good as Pleks is now, but give him a season or two and he'll be close.

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Like Plekanec as a player, but don't see a point in trading for him. Koivu, Granlund, Brodziak, Cullen is a good group of centers. Granlund might not be a good as Pleks is now, but give him a season or two and he'll be close.
Is Grandlund a very strong two way player? I honestly don't know, but offensively, I think it's no question he'll be better. How much? Don't know.

We Habs fans would probably rather not trade him to you for anything short of an overpayment. He's a great leader for us and is so dependable, rarely missing games.

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Is Grandlund a very strong two way player? I honestly don't know, but offensively, I think it's no question he'll be better. How much? Don't know.

We Habs fans would probably rather not trade him to you for anything short of an overpayment. He's a great leader for us and is so dependable, rarely missing games.
No Wild fan wanted Plekanec in the first place. A Wild fan didn't make this proposal.

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