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12-22-2012, 05:28 PM
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A few things... Avs do not need a top 4 guy so much as a #2/3 guy (at minimum).

IF we trade for a defender, we need to also move a defender.
IF we trade a center, we need to also acquire a center.

Honestly, I don't see a whole lot of possibilities. Phoenix and Florida might be in need of some offense like Stastny or Duchene, but I'm not sure they'd want to move Yandle or Kulikov until they had some time to see their teams in action during the season.

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12-22-2012, 06:38 PM
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A few things... Avs do not need a top 4 guy so much as a #2/3 guy (at minimum).

IF we trade for a defender, we need to also move a defender.
IF we trade a center, we need to also acquire a center.

Honestly, I don't see a whole lot of possibilities. Phoenix and Florida might be in need of some offense like Stastny or Duchene, but I'm not sure they'd want to move Yandle or Kulikov until they had some time to see their teams in action during the season.
Pretty much this.

Despite the fact that we do have 3 Top 6 Centres, and even possibly 3 #1C's, we dont have anything after that really. If we move a C, we would HAVE to get a #3C in return to replace whatever C we move(Unless managment feels 1 of Olver/Sgarbossa/Malone can step into the NHL, which I personally dont think they could yet). And we have an excess nubmer of Dmen right now, the problem is there all 4/5/6 Dmen outside of Hejda and Johnson.

Im still a fan of the Yandle/Stastny swap, and made this proposal a few weeks ago that seemed to get some positive responses from both fan bases:



Stastny
Wilson/Obrien/Obyrne/Zanon/Hunwick(Any one of those 5, all have similar value)



Yandle
Gordon



Avs get there #1C and a very good #3C to replace the C we lost, while the Yotes get there #1C and a Hard hitting Dman to replace Yandle. I think the Avs would probably have to add a pick or something to get it done, but IMO its a good basis for a trade.

Other then a trade like this, I would just prefer the Avs be patient and see if we cant sign Edler or another big name UFA Dman, or wait and see what Barrie/Elliott/Siemens can turn out like. Personally I think Barrie has a pretty good chance at this point to develop into a #2/3 Dman at the NHL level.

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12-22-2012, 06:53 PM
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tyutin and our last first round pick this year for statsny?
This makes a lot of sense for both sides. Remove the 1st though and I think it's a fair deal.

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12-22-2012, 06:57 PM
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This makes a lot of sense for both sides. Remove the 1st though and I think it's a fair deal.
Joke right?? Tyutin does not = Stastny, not even close.

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12-22-2012, 07:06 PM
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Yandle for Stasney?

Fan of neither teams but I think this could help both teams

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Yandle for Stastny makes sense for both sides and it's been discussed before. Phoenix wants to wait to see if any other D-men can step up and take Yandles place, as goes for the Avs wanting to see if Duchene/O'Reilly can fill his spot. Again, don't think this trade would happen until the next season, around the trade deadline if it were to.

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12-22-2012, 07:24 PM
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Edler for Duschene (the contract situations make up for the relative performance difference).
The avs would be preposterously stupid to do that deal. Duchene struggled with injuries an had a down year. But and un-signed Edler wouldn't even come close.

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12-22-2012, 07:28 PM
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Joke right?? Tyutin does not = Stastny, not even close.
Tyutin has been a top pair defender for nearly 6 years and was incredible last season.

How is it not even close?

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12-22-2012, 08:04 PM
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I don't think Buff is in Winnipeg's long term plans, could something involving Buff and Duchene possibly work?

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12-22-2012, 08:08 PM
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I don't think Buff is in Winnipeg's long term plans, could something involving Buff and Duchene possibly work?
Bogosian maybe. Enstrom possibly. Byfuglien, nah.

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12-22-2012, 08:39 PM
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Relatively fair, straight up. However I can see some other pieces being exchanged both ways, like a third line veteran centre going to the Avalanche with a good winger/center going back, such as McGinn.

Purely speculation, as value may be off and I don't know their needs too well.
we just acquired McGinn in a trade , last year , i highly doubt they will trade him .

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Edler for Duncan Siemens

Everyone is aware of the new Edler injury report?

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Tyutin has been a top pair defender for nearly 6 years and was incredible last season.

How is it not even close?
Tyutin is not a top pairing defender...he is a 2nd pairing defender, and he was good last year, on a horrible CBJ team. You clearly don't know what an incredible defensman or top pairing pairing defensman is if you think Tyutin is either of those things. Avs say no to Tyutin+late 1st, and also say to to Tyutin straight up for Stastny.

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Tyutin is not a top pairing defender...he is a 2nd pairing defender, and he was good last year, on a horrible CBJ team. You clearly don't know what an incredible defensman or top pairing pairing defensman is if you think Tyutin is either of those things. Avs say no to Tyutin+late 1st, and also say to to Tyutin straight up for Stastny.
So if you play LIKE a top pairing defensemen and play top pairing defenseman minutes, that doesn't make you a top pairing defenseman? Tyutin would instantly jump above Hejda on your depth chart and potentially even Johnson. Does that mean he has equal value to Stastny? Probably not, but Tyutin is more than a good enough start and is one of the last players I want to see leave Columbus.

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So if you play LIKE a top pairing defensemen and play top pairing defenseman minutes, that doesn't make you a top pairing defenseman? Tyutin would instantly jump above Hejda on your depth chart and potentially even Johnson. Does that mean he has equal value to Stastny? Probably not, but Tyutin is more than a good enough start and is one of the last players I want to see leave Columbus.
Would he he better than Hedja? I'm sure. Johnson? I just stopped reading the rest of your post right there.


You can keep Tyutin if you value him that highly. Please do.

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So if you play LIKE a top pairing defensemen and play top pairing defenseman minutes, that doesn't make you a top pairing defenseman? Tyutin would instantly jump above Hejda on your depth chart and potentially even Johnson. Does that mean he has equal value to Stastny? Probably not, but Tyutin is more than a good enough start and is one of the last players I want to see leave Columbus.
That's fine, keep him. I'd rather JJ if we're picking up a CBJ dman.

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Tyutin is not a top pairing defender...he is a 2nd pairing defender, and he was good last year, on a horrible CBJ team.
You can be a good player on a bad team. Besides, Tyutin was top pair on the Rangers as well before he was traded.

He's stepped into the league and has played like a top pair defender for 2 different clubs. I see no reason as to why he isn't considered a top pairing defenseman.

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You clearly don't know what an incredible defensman or top pairing pairing defensman is if you think Tyutin is either of those things.

Avs say no to Tyutin+late 1st, and also say to to Tyutin straight up for Stastny.
lol.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/5/30/top-defensive-pairings

Tyutin is pretty much your prototypical top pairing defenseman.

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Would he he better than Hedja? I'm sure. Johnson? I just stopped reading the rest of your post right there.


You can keep Tyutin if you value him that highly. Please do.
Tyutin is more proven than Johnson. I see no reason as to why you're making the notion that Johnson is miles better when it's quite the exact opposite.

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That's fine, keep him. I'd rather JJ if we're picking up a CBJ dman.
You'd rather have the vastly inferior player?

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Colorado-
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Calgary-
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Duncan Siemens

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Tyutin is more proven than Johnson. I see no reason as to why you're making the notion that Johnson is miles better when it's quite the exact opposite.
Try watching EJ play. It's astonishing how little people seem to have watched him last season.

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You'd rather have the vastly inferior player?
Easily. JJ is another underrated guy. Sure, he won't light the world on fire defensively, but we need a #2/3 guy that knows how to play offense more than we need a 2-way/defensive guy. If he's considered worse and/or cheaper, all the better for us.

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Calgary-
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Duncan Siemens
Wouldn't hand over one of those two, let alone both.

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Wouldn't hand over one of those two, let alone both.
I disagree, I would say no to Siemens for J-Bo although it's still a solid deal but Downie for J-Bo is an easy yes for me.

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I'd do something along the lines of Downie + 2nd. Anything more and i'd have to pass.

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I disagree, I would say no to Siemens for J-Bo although it's still a solid deal but Downie for J-Bo is an easy yes for me.
We've had Downie for less than half a season, granted his deal will only be one year as well, what he brings to our team isn't something I'm interested in giving to a division rival. JBow has one year left and I'm not too sure he'd re-sign with us.

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I disagree, I would say no to Siemens for J-Bo although it's still a solid deal but Downie for J-Bo is an easy yes for me.
You guys are dreaming if you think Downie, without a very solid prospect, would even get you into negotiations for any top pairing defenseman. You might get Kyle Quincey back but I doubt Detroit goes for it! That's a discount deal to keep your 3 centers.

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