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12-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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Vancouver gets...top 9 forward and former Van giants d man prospect

Hornqvist
Blum

Nashville gets...top 3 d and Vancouvers highest ranked prospect

Ballard
Schroeder
Nashville gets hosed.

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12-23-2012, 01:01 PM
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I'm sorry but as someone who watches Vancouver alot Ballard is not a top 3 dman, maybe 5th or 6th in Vancouver and also in Nashville.

Schroeder is also a player who is never going to develop in Vancouver while Viggy is the coach and isn't exactly lighting the AHL on fire.

While Blum isn't developing as planned yet, his NHL future looks alot brighter than jordan's and there is no way Nashville makes this deal.
Completely disagree with AV not liking Schroeder. Schroeder is actually a very responsible player. You clearly don't watch Wolves games. Come on man.


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12-23-2012, 01:08 PM
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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.

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12-23-2012, 02:06 PM
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Completely disagree with AV not liking Schroeder. Schroeder is actually a very responsible player. You clearly don't watch Wolves games. Come on man.
Agreed, my only complaint with his play as a bottom six forward on this team is his height. I don't even think size is as big an issue because he gets physical, isn't prone to injury and can...well kind of hit. His speed and play away from the puck make up for this IMO, and I'd be happy to see him make the NHL with our squad, but to other teams...he's a risk acquisition.

All that being said, and this is one of the biggest Ballard boosters on the Canucks boards saying this, there is 0 reason for Nashville to do this. Needs, value and salary aside, there is no need for them to move Hornquist or Blum.

To reiterate a question from a few posts up, would there be interest in Schroeder though (not to the tune of Blum/Hornquist of course, and we have no reason to move him ourself, but Wilson-Schroeder did have chemistry together).

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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.
You're swinging at strawmen here. No one, save the OP, thinks it's fair value.

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12-23-2012, 02:11 PM
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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.
Yeah, this is totally unfair. Maybe if Nashville adds a cap dump like Weber it makes it easier to swallow.

No one actually thinks Nashville would do this.

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12-23-2012, 02:36 PM
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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.
no one but the op thinks it's fair value

thanks for reading the thread though

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12-23-2012, 02:48 PM
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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.
And the % of Canucks fans that think that is very low. It seems like you're trying to take a cheap jab at all Canucks fans with this comment. Just noticed you're an Oilers fan. Makes sense now, after all the jabs you must take about how pathetic it is to draft 1st OV 3 times in a row... and counting.

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12-23-2012, 04:06 PM
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Nashvilles D:

Weber
Klein
Gill
Hannan
Josi
Ellis
Blum

So Ballard is a 5-6 D on this team??? Before getting to Vancouver Ballard avg 28 pts a season while playing with PHX and FLA both smaller markets and a bigger role. At $4.2M he may be a little overpaid but a fews years left at that price gives Nash a decent pairing with Weber after losing Suter.

Schroeder and Wilson did have good chemistry...what about:

Van gets:

Hornqvist
Blum

Nash gets:

Ballard
Schroeder
Joslin
3rd Rd Pick

If not...what package would work to land Hornqvist and Blum to Van?

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12-23-2012, 06:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure Nashville's plan was to have Hannan come in and ease transition on Josi to playing big minutes. Hannan is still a decent defensive player, and could be used beside Weber for those situations whereas Josi might get more offensive situations.
While Klein and Gill pick up the middle pairing. With Ellis and Blum trying to keep a Top 6 job.

I just don't really see where Ballard would fit in unless the season is wiped and Hannan moves on.

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12-23-2012, 08:13 PM
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Nashville says no methinks

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12-24-2012, 03:37 AM
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Wow poor Nashville. It's funny how the only people who think this is fair value is the Canuck fans.
Um do you see a single Canucks fan saying of such?

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Lacking the obvious 2nd and Raymond. That'd definitely tip it.

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12-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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Lacking the obvious 2nd and Raymond. That'd definitely tip it.
I'll reluctantly throw in Sauve if they put in Weber

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12-25-2012, 05:21 PM
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Nashvilles D:

Weber
Klein
Gill
Hannan
Josi
Ellis
Blum

So Ballard is a 5-6 D on this team??? Before getting to Vancouver Ballard avg 28 pts a season while playing with PHX and FLA both smaller markets and a bigger role. At $4.2M he may be a little overpaid but a fews years left at that price gives Nash a decent pairing with Weber after losing Suter.

Schroeder and Wilson did have good chemistry...what about:

Van gets:

Hornqvist
Blum

Nash gets:

Ballard
Schroeder
Joslin
3rd Rd Pick

If not...what package would work to land Hornqvist and Blum to Van?
First of all that the original as well as this trade suggestion is trying to create is a trade simply for the sake of having a trade happen. The players involved, though maybe nice to have for a team's depth, do not address a need on either team.

In addition to that are the constant HF posters who knock various NHL players simply to make those players sound worthless. Players who actually are quality players in their own right. It should be understood that any player who makes it to the NHL is one heck of a good hockey player. Most were highly regarded draft picks in the years they were draftted. These HF fans need to start showing a bit more maturity in their posts when they intentionally run down their own teams players or those players from other teams. There is a vast difference between claiming a player is only worth a bag of used pucks (my own fellow Canuck fans running down Bieksa just a couple of years ago) compaired to stating in their opinion the player being offered in trade doesn't fit their team's need or that in their opinion their team would not be improved after such a trade.

Lets look at some of the players being suggested in this trade thread. Homqvist is an important winger for Nashville where as the Canucks have Higgins, Hansen, Booth, Kassian or possibly Schroeder, Rodin or Jensen able to play the same roster spot Homqvist would play on the Canucks. Homqvist would be nice to have, but he doesn't fill a need on the Canucks and I don't see a lateral move of Schoeder for Homqvist doing anything for the Preds than at the most moving bodies for the sake of a trade.

As for the Blum / Ballard portion of the trade. This has a little more merit, but not enough to benefit either team as to their current needs. Blum has potential, but he is not the player Ballard is to a team at present. Yes Ballard is a legitimate #4 defenseman who has proved his skill level when with Pheonix and Florida but has suffered a tremendous amount of bad luck injury / concusion wise since coming to Vancouver as well as being regulated to a 3rd pairing role he was unsuited for once the Canucks signed Hamhuis. Ballard is not suited to be the prime on any pairing. He is a skilled offensive defenseman who brings an amount of toughness (something Blum does not) but requires a strong pairing partner to back him up (similar to Bieksa). Nashville is not hurting for quality 2nd/3rd pairing left hand shot defensemen. Ballard would be just as redundant in Nashville as he is in Vancouver where as Blum, even though he is a right hand shot defensemen does not bring the toughness the Canucks are currently looking for thoughout their team.

In truth, Vancouver and Nashville do not make good trading partners.

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12-25-2012, 06:54 PM
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Vancouver gets...top 9 forward and former Van giants d man prospect

Hornqvist
Blum

Nashville gets...top 3 d and Vancouvers highest ranked prospect

Ballard
Schroeder
Hornqvist is a top six scoring forward in Nashville, and rightly so. The kid goes under the radar but he's a very good player.

Ballard has struggled, and if he doesn't right the ship, he's a bottom pair defenseman on Nashville. The prospects, at best, are a toss up. Vancouver would need to add something very substantial to the deal. And I'm not talking prospects or mid round picks.

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12-25-2012, 08:25 PM
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Hornqvist is a top six scoring forward in Nashville, and rightly so. The kid goes under the radar but he's a very good player.

Ballard has struggled, and if he doesn't right the ship, he's a bottom pair defenseman on Nashville. The prospects, at best, are a toss up. Vancouver would need to add something very substantial to the deal. And I'm not talking prospects or mid round picks.
Oh you are so strong and demanding. Would the Sedins, Kesler and 10 first round picks be enough?

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12-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Blum is a decent fit in Vancouver and maybe surplus to requirements in Nashville depending on how the other D like Roussel develop.

Ballard is not a great fit in Nashville unless they have an injury to Hannan or Josi.

I think Ballard could go to quite a few teams but the Preds are not one of them.

Figure out a fair deal with only Blum coming from the preds and you might be on to somthing.

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12-26-2012, 05:33 PM
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Not that I agree with the trade value, but there is an argument to be made that Ballard could be a top 3 defenseman with Nashville while Hornqvist could be a top 9 forward with Vancouver...
You would put Hornqvist behind Booth??

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