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12-21-2012, 09:47 AM
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By that logic, no one should ever be allowed to complain when the Habs do their annual sneaking into 8th place routine since, hey, maybe we'll just be late to the party and turn it on hot enough for 20-25 games to win the Stanley Cup.
The difference is that LA team severely underachieved during the regular season. No one called it a Cinderella run, they already had all the pieces to the puzzle in place and were just very disappointing. But that team was built to win the Cup after they got Richards with studs like Kopitar already on the team. It wasn't just the fact that they won the Cup either, it's how easily they walked all over their opposition laeving everyone in the dust.

An 8th place finish last season would have been disastrous for us, so that logic is flawed.

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12-21-2012, 10:28 AM
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By that logic, no one should ever be allowed to complain when the Habs do their annual sneaking into 8th place routine since, hey, maybe we'll just be late to the party and turn it on hot enough for 20-25 games to win the Stanley Cup.
Have we even done that once? The LA kings did and that's the main difference.

It's obvious that the kings we're built to win the cup, same thing can't be said about all the sissy habs teams assembled throughout the years.

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12-21-2012, 10:30 AM
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Bergevin clearly stated that this will be a strong defensive team moving forward.......

Does Detroit lack high-end offensive talent? The answer is no and their system is based on the neutral zone trap and a complete commitment to defence from their stars. Bylsma is another defensive system coach who has even managed to get Malkin to buy in to the system. You don't win Stanley Cups without placing emphasis on the defensive side of the game. Strong defence creates turnovers which in turn results in scoring chances.

The top defensive teams have won the Stanley cup in consecutive seasons. Any attempt to twist the facts to support your weak arguement is simply just an example of arguing for the sake of arguing. Offence first clubs inevitably have to learn to play defence first in order to win championships, otherwise they end up being perennial losers in the playoffs. You will not find a single NHL coach who would disagree with what I am saying.

This debate is basically a waste of my time as you are just looking for an arguement that you can't possibly win. Let's get this thread back onto Galchenyuk where it belongs.
Nobody's won anything in consecutive seasons recently. No team has won twice. The closest were Detroit and Pittsburgh in 2007 and 2008.

Pittsburgh, Chicago, and LA were all heavily offensive teams. Pittsburgh had Crosby and Malkin as their foundation. Chicago had Toews and Kane as their foundation. LA won the cup on a scoring rampage of 57 goals in 20 games.

Also, look at the finalists. The Devils this year were not the 1990s Devils, but were an aggressive team with Kovalchuk as their clear leader. The Vancouver Canucks played an offensive system that allowed their top players to win the Art Ross two years in a row. The Flyers had Carter, Richards, Giroux, etc when they lost to the Blackhawks.

Your slogans are just that, slogans. Bottom line is both defense and offense matter, and that's obvious to anyone who is awake. You win by outscoring the other team. The system should fit the players.


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12-21-2012, 10:33 AM
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The difference is that LA team severely underachieved during the regular season. No one called it a Cinderella run, they already had all the pieces to the puzzle in place and were just very disappointing. But that team was built to win the Cup after they got Richards with studs like Kopitar already on the team. It wasn't just the fact that they won the Cup either, it's how easily they walked all over their opposition laeving everyone in the dust.

An 8th place finish last season would have been disastrous for us, so that logic is flawed.
The New Jersey Devils are actually a better example. The Kings were indeed not a genuine 8th place team, but the Devils were probably a genuine 6th place team and they made the cup finals. Sometimes, lightning does strike.

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12-21-2012, 10:39 AM
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honnestly once you reach the playoffs,anything can happen.Its all about momentum and hot streaks.Look at our habs a couple seasons ago with a hot Halak & Cammalleri

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Goldthorpe's patented contender building strategy:
- Get as many great players as possible.
- Get complementary players when you can't get great ones.
- Manage to keep all these players together for a few seasons without bursting your cap.
- Roll the dices.

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The New Jersey Devils are actually a better example. The Kings were indeed not a genuine 8th place team, but the Devils were probably a genuine 6th place team and they made the cup finals. Sometimes, lightning does strike.
The exception does not make the rule, though.

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By that logic, no one should ever be allowed to complain when the Habs do their annual sneaking into 8th place routine since, hey, maybe we'll just be late to the party and turn it on hot enough for 20-25 games to win the Stanley Cup.
I don't understand how you came to that conclusion by reading my post. Interesting.


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I really enjoyed your post, however if there is one thing I would be mindful of is the above point. I think that in general, people really under estimate the jump from junior hockey, to AHL, then to NHL. Top AHL prospects struggle the first year or two in the NHL, so putting so much pressure on an OHL prospect right now to come to the big leagues and put up similar numbers is not realistic. There is no doubt in my mind that he will have an impact, but as you know Montreal hockey fans are quick to panic.
I can agree with this normally but in the case with Alex Galchenyuk, many top prospects go right into the NHL when they get drafted, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin and Steven Stamkos to name a few. In Alex Galchenyuk's case he isn't going straight into the NHL of his draft year. This lockout actually is a blessing in disquise for Galchenyuk and is giving him another year to develop which you can see he is taking advantage of.

I think people can be very protective of a high draft pick and want the extra time for them to develop, especially after a serious injury. But if Galchenyuk who already is developing at a high rate by dominating the OHL as he is doing now, my theory is, is he really going to improve in a weak Hamilton team? In fact wouldn't it be better for his skill level to move up to the club level and start understanding the pace of the game and learning the demands so he can quickly build chemistry with the key players he will need to be playing with? We all know he is going to be our number one center for the foreseeable future, he knows this and understands the responsablilty, but giving him the chance to build chemistry with key players on the squad is also very helpful.

I'm not stating he has to take that number one center role immedietely, but he should be learning that role with the team and its a big role he will be filling, he should be given every chance to take that roll and given that responability if he is ready for it.

What is also intresting to note is that Alex Galchenyuk is the only junior player that can be recalled by Montreal if they want too, so as it stands it does look like Montreal is thinking long term about Galchenyuk and is why I think if we do have a season this year, Galchenyuk would be recalled so he gets some playing time to understand the game. And if this happens, then chances are he will with the club team next year full time.


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12-21-2012, 12:17 PM
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Hudon's injury should be a reminder to all that Gally has only played 33 games so far and still has a long way to go before proving that he is not injury prone. IMO, that's 3 full seasons with missing 6 games or less in 2 seasons and 10 games or less in 1 season. I know Gally is a tank compared to RNH or Hall, but both missed significant games last year. I would not want to see that with Galchenyuk. I'm probably just being paranoid, but I think that him playing wing in his rookie year will minimize injuries.

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Hudon's injury should be a reminder to all that Gally has only played 33 games so far and still has a long way to go before proving that he is not injury prone. IMO, that's 3 full seasons with missing 6 games or less in 2 seasons and 10 games or less in 1 season. I know Gally is a tank compared to RNH or Hall, but both missed significant games last year. I would not want to see that with Galchenyuk. I'm probably just being paranoid, but I think that him playing wing in his rookie year will minimize injuries.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but Gally has had only 1 major knee injury, even though he was out a year, one injury doesn't make you injury prone, so that "full seasons with missing 6 games or less...." stuff really doesn't matter.

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12-22-2012, 02:48 PM
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This kid can win a knife fight in a telephone booth! Still a little shocked we have this type of talent in our pool. Been a while.

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if the lockout has done anything good for me, it's in allowing me to devote all my focus for hockey, on following this kid. i never usually get to follow something so closely, but along with checking out some of our current guys ocerseas activities, there's virtually nothing else i care about in hockey terms.

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12-22-2012, 10:08 PM
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if the lockout has done anything good for me, it's in allowing me to devote all my focus for hockey, on following this kid. i never usually get to follow something so closely, but along with checking out some of our current guys ocerseas activities, there's virtually nothing else i care about in hockey terms.
I like this.

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I like this.
me too.

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me too.
me too too!

And we're so lucky that the lockout happened just when we drafted so many amazing prospects to follow
(suffering through a miserable 2011-2012 season + 2013 lockout = many great prospects to follow thanks to amazing 2012 Draft ). Thank-you Timmins and all Hab scouts, and thank-you also to Gauthier for collecting more than a few draft picks.


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Galchenyuk not given a letter by Team USA.

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Galchenyuk not given a letter by Team USA.
Obviously not, he is essential to warm up the bench 50 minutes per game

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Galchenyuk not given a letter by Team USA.
Seems you need to have been part of the U.S National Development team in the past, not him, don't understand why? He's the best player by far in this team. Phil Housley you need to wake up !

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**** the letters and give us the numbers....

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Galchenyuk not given a letter by Team USA.
I was gonna say it's NCAA favouritism but then I saw Jones got one and he fled for Portland $$$ and draft exposure.

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Just because he's their best player doesn't mean he automatically deserves a letter, guys. Lets be reality here.

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LOL... so many ******** comments for the smallest perceived slight.

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that's the ticket!

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