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Alex Ovechkin Vs Ilya Kovalchuk

View Poll Results: Ilya Kovalchuk Vs Alex Ovechkin
Ilya Kovalchuk 145 50.88%
Alex Ovechkin 140 49.12%
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11-15-2012, 08:21 AM
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Just never been that big of an Ovechkin fan. For me personally it would easily be Kovalchuk

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11-15-2012, 09:34 AM
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Ovi is obviously an absolute offensive dynamo but when he is not scoring I feel like he is a liabilty on the ice where as at least Kovalchuk works in all zones. If Ovi was still putting up over 100 points a year I would choose him but now I'd rather take Kovalchuk because the point differentials between the two are not that drastic.

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12-23-2012, 06:53 PM
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Oh look Ovechkin now has the same amount of points in 2 less games, so shocked...

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12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
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Oh look Ovechkin now has the same amount of points in 2 less games, so shocked...
He's being carried by Backstrom obviously

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12-23-2012, 07:58 PM
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OV, quite simply.

Sedin-Sedin-Ovechkin

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12-23-2012, 08:23 PM
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OV, quite simply.

Sedin-Sedin-Ovechkin

that would be borderline illegal.
Is Ovy a good forechecker?

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12-23-2012, 08:31 PM
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that would be borderline illegal.
Is Ovy a good forechecker?
Ovy is one of the best forecheckers in the game.

He was the only player in the league last year with 30 goals and 250 hits.

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12-23-2012, 08:31 PM
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that would be borderline illegal.
Is Ovy a good forechecker?
If you mean does he run over other players while barely keeping his feet on the ice, then yes

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12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
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Ovy is one of the best forecheckers in the game.

He was the only player in the league last year with 30 goals and 250 hits.

So its not borderline

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12-23-2012, 08:59 PM
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Ovy is one of the best forecheckers in the game.

He was the only player in the league last year with 30 goals and 250 hits.
Hits vary from stadium to stadium. It's a fairly inaccurate stat. Last year during the Devils/Panthers series, the hits varied from like 10-20 in New Jersey to 30-45 in Florida, without any noticeable difference in physicality.

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12-23-2012, 09:13 PM
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Hits vary from stadium to stadium. It's a fairly inaccurate stat. Last year during the Devils/Panthers series, the hits varied from like 10-20 in New Jersey to 30-45 in Florida, without any noticeable difference in physicality.
The most physical players still seem to end the year with the most hits though.

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12-23-2012, 09:42 PM
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If we're talking Alexander Ovechkin from the last 3 seasons it still doesn't make sense for Ilya Kovalchuk "to be the logical choice."

Over the past 3 seasons they have averaged:
Ovechkin: 43G-93pts 230hits 7GWG 11PPG (combined +61)
Kovalchuk: 35G-80pts 28hits 6GWG 10PPG (combined -25)

Over the past 2 seasons they have averaged:
Ovechkin: 37G-78pts 238hits 7GWG 10PPG (combined +16)
Kovalchuk: 35G-74pts 28hits 7GWG 10PPG (combined -35)

There is not even one category in which Kovalchuk tops Ovechkin. Not one. What are both Kovalchuk and Ovechkin considered? Snipers. Ovechkin has out-goalscored Kovalchuk every single season of their careers. Furthermore, to narrow the focus back to the past 3 seasons, Kovalchuk's low in goals(31G)/points(60pts) are lower than both of Ovechkins(38G/65pts).

Ovechkin is younger, considerably more physical, a better goalscorer, produces more points, a plus player.. He even blocks more shots!

The blind "what have you done for me lately" sentiments that plague these forums make me sick..
This.

The HFBoards "what have you done for me lately" mentality is so rampant that people are actually basing their decisions on the 2012 playoffs alone.

Even if you want to assume that Ovechkin is not going to return to his Art Ross & Hart trophy ways, Ovechkin from the past two seasons is still better than Kovalchuk.

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12-23-2012, 10:12 PM
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As of right now Kovy. But if ovy gets back to his normal ways, I'd take him over any player in the league (yes that includes Crosby). But if they put up the same amount of points every year I'd take Kovy. If that makes any sense.

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12-23-2012, 11:03 PM
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If Ovie doesn't ever break 90 points again, than Kovy is simply the better overall player. Of course, experts here on HF will site dozens of stats to say otherwise but those of us who are using our eyes to look at something other than rows of numbers will argue in favor of Kovy. If Ovechkin can consistently score 85+ points when the NHL comes back, he wins. If he can't consistently hit those numbers, Kovy is the guy I would rather have on my team.

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12-23-2012, 11:07 PM
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I certainly think Kovy last year was more important to our team, than Ovy was to his team. That's not to say Ovechkin was the cause of the Caps playing lower than most years, but Ovechkin playing out of his mind helped those Presidents Trophy Caps teams tremendously as Kovy's performance for out team the last season, and a half did for us. Ovechkin is the heart of the Caps as Kovy is the heart of the Devils. When each player underperforms their teams underperform with them.

Most teams have one of these players who the team goes the way they go. For us it was Kovy despite the people who said Parise. Our record in game Kovy scored a goal in last year vs Parise was ridiculous. Think we lost 4 games where Kovy scored a goal in regulation, and he missed 5 games whereas Parise played all 82. When Kovy slumped for a little while the team did too.

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12-24-2012, 02:05 AM
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Just some more added stats as far as outperforming Ovechkin, Kovalchuk ain't doing it.

In the KHL:

Ovechkin 16G 19A 35P 27GP +12
Kovalchuk 14G 21A 35P 29GP +18

Ovechkin though had line mates that were - players.

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12-24-2012, 08:14 AM
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Kovalchuk is one of my favorite players, but I have to take Ovechkin, here.

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12-24-2012, 10:02 AM
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This.

The HFBoards "what have you done for me lately" mentality is so rampant that people are actually basing their decisions on the 2012 playoffs alone.

Even if you want to assume that Ovechkin is not going to return to his Art Ross & Hart trophy ways, Ovechkin from the past two seasons is still better than Kovalchuk.
Yup. I'm alarmed that this poll is even close, let alone with Kovy winning it. He's a good player, but Ovechkin trumps him in every way possible.

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12-24-2012, 11:31 AM
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Kovalchuk. He has turned into a phenomenal two way player, who now backchecks. You rarely, if ever, see Ovechkin backcheck.

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12-24-2012, 11:36 AM
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I look at Kovy as more of a winning player, where I feel like Ovechkin is more of a liability to his team when he isn't the Ovechkin of old. Kovy has dedicated himself to becoming a great all around player, you simply do not see that same drive from Ovechkin. Ovechkin is the perfect example of an athlete who had all the talent and potential in the world, let his head get too big with the big start to his career, and then (at least in terms of how he used to be) fell into a downward spiral. Simply not a fan of the guys attitude, Crosby was always going to be the better player not because he was more talented per say, but because he had the drive and the commitment to become a better player every season that OV didn't have. I think the same applies to Kovalchuck here, who has done a great job in his New Jersey run.

Just my two cents

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12-24-2012, 11:45 AM
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I look at Kovy as more of a winning player, where I feel like Ovechkin is more of a liability to his team when he isn't the Ovechkin of old. Kovy has dedicated himself to becoming a great all around player, you simply do not see that same drive from Ovechkin. Ovechkin is the perfect example of an athlete who had all the talent and potential in the world, let his head get too big with the big start to his career, and then (at least in terms of how he used to be) fell into a downward spiral. Simply not a fan of the guys attitude, Crosby was always going to be the better player not because he was more talented per say, but because he had the drive and the commitment to become a better player every season that OV didn't have. I think the same applies to Kovalchuck here, who has done a great job in his New Jersey run.

Just my two cents
Kovalchuk was 1 cup run. Other than that he has only been in the playoffs twice in his career, losing in 4 games, and 5 games in the 1st round, both as the higher seed. If anything Ovechkin is much more of a winning player as his team has made it to the playoffs 5 straight years, and advanced to the 2nd round 3 of the last 4 years.

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12-24-2012, 12:09 PM
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Right now Kovalchuk AINEC

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12-24-2012, 12:43 PM
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Kovalchuk was 1 cup run. Other than that he has only been in the playoffs twice in his career, losing in 4 games, and 5 games in the 1st round, both as the higher seed. If anything Ovechkin is much more of a winning player as his team has made it to the playoffs 5 straight years, and advanced to the 2nd round 3 of the last 4 years.
Kovy carried a pretty bad Atlanta team for years, can't really rag on him for that team not making the playoffs. Ovechkin has been surrounded by a pretty nice supporting cast for awhile, one that Kovalchuck is only just now getting in New Jersey (I'd still argue that OV has the better supporting cast).

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12-24-2012, 12:46 PM
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Kovy carried a pretty bad Atlanta team for years, can't really rag on him for that team not making the playoffs. Ovechkin has been surrounded by a pretty nice supporting cast for awhile, one that Kovalchuck is only just now getting in New Jersey (I'd still argue that OV has the better supporting cast).
Which year was that? The 1 season Atlanta went to the playoffs and he was 3rd in points?

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12-24-2012, 12:49 PM
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Right now Kovalchuk AINEC



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