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12-24-2012, 09:54 AM
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I think Despres can be a stud if he smartens up, a legit, shutdown #3.

Maatta, I keep seeing Janne Laukkanen, with maybe a little more offensive prowess.. 30-35. I mean that in a positive way.

Currently, I see Maatta as the biggest piece of trade bait if a blueline prospect was moved.

I'd say only Morrow and Harrington are untouchable, though (haven't seen Dumoulin enough to judge him).
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Maatta seems a tad clumsy to me. And his physicality... he's not soft, he leans on guys and battles and stuff, but if I were the Pens I'd really be on him to be a lot nastier. At this point he seems similar to Dumoulin and Despres. And I'd rather keep them because they're closer to being NHLers.

Yeah, I think the Pens will make a decision (and it doesn't have to be immediately) between Despres and Maatta long term. I think that Harrington, Morrow, Pouliot & Dumoulin are the "untouchables" among our prospect group.


And I would personally add Bortuzzo to that list, because I think he is our best and most consistent Dman in WBS right now, and he's a right-handed 6'4 guy. Can you imagine a "shut-down" pair of Doumolin & Bortuzzo? Or how well Bortuzzo could complement one of our smaller Dmen next to him? I just think he's too unique a player to trade.


I could see one of Maatta or Despres being moved at next year's draft for a a 1st rounder, kinda like what STL did with Rundblad -- provided they have a good season and retain their value. There will be teams looking for Dmen, and could get a late first (or I would even do 2 second rounders) in this year's draft, the best since 2003.


There's no rush to make a move just yet, so we'll see how

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12-24-2012, 10:10 AM
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I think the organization will want to hold onto Maata as long as possible with how well rounded his game is. His ceiling could be a legit #1 D-man. He's not dynamic offensively like Pouliot or Morrow and he's not as polished defensively as Harrington, but he can play in all situations. Once he adds some size and improves his skating, he could be a gem.

Despres and Dumoulin are our NHL ready trade pieces. And I think the latter brings more of what we need. He seems very comfortable with our system which will make his transition to the NHL a hell of alot easier.
I can't see Maatta being a #1, but he could be a top pairing guy if he maxes out.

I think Despres and Maatta both have similar offensive potential, but Despres' size, strength and skating give him a big edge in my eyes.

Dumoulin, I'm not comfortable talking about until I see more of him, but a lot of people think quite highly of him.

When all things are equal, I'd prefer to keep the bigger, stronger guys.

Having Harrington, Morrow, Despres and Dumoulin is a nice blend of size and skill.

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12-24-2012, 10:18 AM
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If I had to pick 1 to trade, I'd pick Dumoulin. He is very similar to Despres, but Despres is just better in every aspect. Every other one is unique, but Despres and Dumoulin seem like 2 of the same kind of D, and I'd want to keep Despres. Via Hockey's Future:

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Despres possesses a blend of size and swift, fluid skating ability that makes him a special defensive prospect. He is also very unique in the sense that while his overall upside is largely unknown, particularly on the offensive side of the puck, he already has the frame, skating, and mental ability to play at the NHL level.

"Simon is interesting in the aspect that as a junior player, [he had] the abilities to do everything on the ice," said Penguins head coach Dan Bylsma. "As he turns pro, he is juggling where he fits in terms of being able to add offense, jump into the play, take risk if that's what his offensive game might be, and then be real solid defensively."

Not known as a particularly physical player at the junior level, Despres demonstrated in his first professional season a willingness to throw around his huge frame, particularly in delivering bone-crunching hip checks.
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A big, talented defensemen and a proven winner at the NCAA level, Brian Dumoulin possesses the smooth skating stride of a player much smaller than 6'4, 219 pounds. Though not known as an overly physical player, Dumoulin possesses the strength, size, and balance to keep the front of the net clear of traffic. The defensemen is also an adept puck-mover with a hard point shot. Conducting himself with great confidence on and off the ice, Dumoulin possesses numerous traits which suggest he could develop into a reliable top-four defenseman in the NHL, most notably his ability to quickly retrieve the puck and move it up ice.
Seems really similar, and I'd go with Despres.

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12-24-2012, 10:30 AM
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If I had to pick 1 to trade, I'd pick Dumoulin. He is very similar to Despres, but Despres is just better in every aspect. Every other one is unique, but Despres and Dumoulin seem like 2 of the same kind of D, and I'd want to keep Despres. Via Hockey's Future:

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Seems really similar, and I'd go with Despres.
Yep- lets ignore the simple fact that Doumulin in his 1st year in the AHL has significantly outplayed Depres in his 2nd year in the A....

Personally, I don't think you can tell who is going to be better right now, but I am leaning towards Doumulin based on this seasons production.

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12-24-2012, 10:33 AM
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Yep- lets ignore the simple fact that Doumulin in his 1st year in the AHL has significantly outplayed Depres in his 2nd year in the A....

Personally, I don't think you can tell who is going to be better right now, but I am leaning towards Doumulin based on this seasons production.
However, Despres has shown that he is able to play in the NHL, where he played very well. I'm going with Despres.

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12-24-2012, 11:05 AM
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Is Maata out for the tournament?

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12-24-2012, 11:17 AM
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Is Maata out for the tournament?
What are you talking about?

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What are you talking about?
Thought I heard an announcer say Maata is injured and out for the tournament.

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12-24-2012, 11:32 AM
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Thought I heard an announcer say Maata is injured and out for the tournament.
Are you watching the '12 repeat vs Slovakia on the NHL Network?

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Are you watching the '12 repeat vs Slovakia on the NHL Network?
Yep I'm an idiot. Nevermind.

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How many players do the Penguins have at the U20 tournament?

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12-24-2012, 12:14 PM
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How many players do the Penguins have at the U20 tournament?
3. Maatta, Bleuger and Harrington

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12-24-2012, 12:15 PM
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How many players do the Penguins have at the U20 tournament?
Maatta, Harrington and Bluegers.

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12-24-2012, 12:44 PM
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Let's rank the Pens big D prospects. Here's my list:

1. Morrow
2. Despres
3. Harrington
4. Maatta
5. Pouliot
6. Dumoulin

I'm still a huge fan of Despres.

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12-24-2012, 12:45 PM
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Sooo.. Bennett is hurt?

Also:

1. Morrow
2. Maatta
3. Dumoulin
4. Despres
5. Pouliot
6. Harrington

The first four I see being two way D-men, Pouliot as a PP specialist, and Harrington as shutdown.

I've seen Despres and Harrington the most while seeing Pouliot the least.


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12-24-2012, 12:55 PM
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Sooo.. Bennett is hurt?

Yep, as per inane hockey rules, there is no real information on his injury. He could be laying dead in a ditch and currently be day-to-day with an upper body injury. WBS beat writer not even sure if he's out with an illness or injury, though he did go hard into the boards during a missed shootout attempt in his last game, so it's probably an injury of some type.

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12-24-2012, 01:13 PM
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If I could make the pairs for 14-15, I'd make them:

Despres-Letang
Orpik-Morrow
Dumoulin-Niskanen/Bortuzzo

And in WBS, I'd make the pairs:

Harrington-Maatta
Pouliot-Samuelsson
D'Agostino-Ruopp

Even though Harrington and Maatta may be ready by then, I'd much rather give both a year in the AHL. This will be Maatta's 1st pro season, and Harrington's 2nd. For Despres, it will be his 4th, and it will be the 3rd for Morrow and Dumoulin. No need to rush them.
Good post. And those AHL pairs look awesome. It's true, no need to rush.

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12-24-2012, 01:16 PM
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Yep I'm an idiot. Nevermind.
LOL, you got me scared there!

Also my list:

1. Morrow
2. Maatta
3. Harrington
4. Despres
4. Dumoulin
5. Pouliot

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12-24-2012, 01:24 PM
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If I could make the pairs for 14-15, I'd make them:

Despres-Letang
Orpik-Morrow
Dumoulin-Niskanen/Bortuzzo

And in WBS, I'd make the pairs:

Harrington-Maatta
Pouliot-Samuelsson
D'Agostino-Ruopp

Even though Harrington and Maatta may be ready by then, I'd much rather give both a year in the AHL. This will be Maatta's 1st pro season, and Harrington's 2nd. For Despres, it will be his 4th, and it will be the 3rd for Morrow and Dumoulin. No need to rush them.

Don't be surprised if Harrington makes the jump straight from juniors to the NHL next season, while Morrow may need a full 2 or 3 years in the AHL.

I expect Dumoulin to also be ready for full-time duty by next season, and Despres perhaps also needing a 3rd year in WBS to really perfect his game (if he doesn't get traded, that is).

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12-24-2012, 02:07 PM
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Don't be surprised if Harrington makes the jump straight from juniors to the NHL next season, while Morrow may need a full 2 or 3 years in the AHL.

I expect Dumoulin to also be ready for full-time duty by next season, and Despres perhaps also needing a 3rd year in WBS to really perfect his game (if he doesn't get traded, that is).
If that's the case, I'd make the pairs:

Letang-Despres
Dumoulin-Orpik
Harrington-Niskanen

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I doubt our defensive corp will all be homegrown. I don't think that has ever happened.

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12-24-2012, 02:18 PM
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If that's the case, I'd make the pairs:

Letang-Despres
Dumoulin-Orpik
Harrington-Niskanen

Well, (A) I`m not sure Despres is ready to make the NHL full time even next year (and that`s if he doesn`t get traded), and (B), there is no way we have 3 rookies full-time next year.


Also, don`t forget about Bortuzzo (who is ready to make the jump) and Engelland, who was one of our best players last year, is improving steadily, is underrated in general, and comes at an amazing cap-hit, which we need. (Plus he`s our only Enforcer who can play real minutes).


I think this is more realistic for next year:

Orpik-Letang (double-shift Letang for when he needs more minutes than Orpik)
Niskanen-Engelland (or Bortuzzo)
Harrington-Dumoulin
Bortuzzo (or Engelland) as number 7-D

If Orpik gets traded, then move Dumoulin up to his spot, and both Engelland and Bortuzzo become full-time, top-6 Dmen for that season.

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12-24-2012, 02:48 PM
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Overall:

1. Morrow
2. Dumoulin
3. Maatta
4. Despres
5. Pouliot
6. Harrington

Potential:

1. Morrow
2. Pouliot
3. Despres
4. Maatta
5. Dumoulin
6. Harrington

Value to the Pens (future lineup/trade asset):

1. Pouliot
2. Morrow
3. Harrington
4. Dumoulin/Despres/Maatta

I've seen Dumoulin the most (huge BC fan) and like it's been said before Despres, Dumoulin, Maatta pretty much bring the same thing to the table, but with that said, I think Dumoulin has the most offensive potential out of them, while Despres has the best shutdown potential.

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12-24-2012, 03:16 PM
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Well, (A) I`m not sure Despres is ready to make the NHL full time even next year (and that`s if he doesn`t get traded), and (B), there is no way we have 3 rookies full-time next year.


Also, don`t forget about Bortuzzo (who is ready to make the jump) and Engelland, who was one of our best players last year, is improving steadily, is underrated in general, and comes at an amazing cap-hit, which we need. (Plus he`s our only Enforcer who can play real minutes).


I think this is more realistic for next year:

Orpik-Letang (double-shift Letang for when he needs more minutes than Orpik)
Niskanen-Engelland (or Bortuzzo)
Harrington-Dumoulin
Bortuzzo (or Engelland) as number 7-D

If Orpik gets traded, then move Dumoulin up to his spot, and both Engelland and Bortuzzo become full-time, top-6 Dmen for that season.
Clear up when you are talking about. I was referring to 14-15. Next year, they will probably be:

Letang-Despres
Orpik-Martin
Niskanen-Dumoulin

We won't trade Martin just so Harrington can play in the NHL. No point in rushing him.

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12-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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I don't think even Bylsma could put up a reasonable projection for the Pens defense at this point. There are just too many variables.

Will Martin and/or Orpik play their way out of town? Can Niskanen and Engelland continue their solid play? Does the organization value Bortuzzo and Strait highly enough to make room for them to avoid waivers? Will Despres, Morrow, or Dumoulin leapfrog their way into the lineup?

It's all totally up in the air. The only constant is that Letang will be half of the top pairing.

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