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LD Sean Day - Mississauga Steelheads, OHL (2016 Draft)

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12-24-2012, 12:01 PM
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Jack Slater:

Say you grew up in Canada, born and raised, you cheered for Canada in everything - hockey, Olympics, curling, everything. You do this for 20+ years. You Bleed the Red and white maple leaf.

Finally you get married and have a child with another Canadian but move abroad for work. You still bleed the red and white maple leaf. Your child now cheers and bleeds the red and white maple leaf.

Can you see why the child who has never 'lived' in Canada would consider himself Canadian?

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12-24-2012, 12:13 PM
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All the citizenship talk is moot because he does not have American citizenship. This is not a Brett Hull or a Galchenyuk, he doesn't have American citizenship. Not to mention, sounds like he's played hockey in Canada as well so it's not as if he's been fully raised/trained in the US.

Looking for a comparison to his situation, I can't really find one in hockey. Marcus Foligno may be the closest, but he lived in Canada for a significant portion as well. Jameison Taillon in baseball may be the best comparable. Canadian born to Canadian parents in the United States, grew up/played baseball there but spent time in Canada as well. Said in the past he was Canadian and would like to play for Canada internationally. It's kind of the same thing.

A thing I find funny is that AmericanDream about a year or two ago didn't care that Galchenyuk was trained in Russia, he was American because he was born that (Didn't matter that he moved before he was out of diapers). And when Galchenyuk said he "felt" American because he liked the country when he visited (When it was so obviously a career move) he vigorously defended his right to play for the coutnry he wants.

Canadian parents, wants to play for Canada, he's more Canadian than Galchenyuk is American, using the logic he used awhile ago, why is AmericanDream not supporting Day's decision?

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Prove it.
Tyler Biggs looks like the only one on the US team this year, it would be two if Stefan Matteau made it.


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12-24-2012, 01:30 PM
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Tyler Biggs looks like the only one on the US team this year, it would be two if Stefan Matteau made it.
Was born in the U.S. Played youth hockey in Cincinnati up till U16 year where he then played one year in Toronto. Came back and played for the US Dev dev team for two years then onto Miami and now Oshawa

If your point is just that he is living in Canada right now as of this moment, then you're right. Congrats. But to not look a bit deeper and see that out of a number of years playing hockey in his life, this is only his second year playing in Canada at the ripe age of 19

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12-24-2012, 01:43 PM
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Was born in the U.S. Played youth hockey in Cincinnati up till U16 year where he then played one year in Toronto. Came back and played for the US Dev dev team for two years then onto Miami and now Oshawa

If your point is just that he is living in Canada right now as of this moment, then you're right. Congrats. But to not look a bit deeper and see that out of a number of years playing hockey in his life, this is only his second year playing in Canada at the ripe age of 19
You're really taking this farther than it needs to be. I'm not disputing the fact he's American, look at the post I replied to. Biggs is the son of a Canadian hockey player who I belive is back living in Canada (They moved back to Toronto; the entire family IIRC when Biggs came back to play his 15 year old season).

It's why I said if Stefan Matteau was on the US team he'd be another example, as he's the son of a Canadian NHLer (Stephane) who lives in Canada (Stephane Matteau lives in Boisbriand/Montreal Quebec).

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12-24-2012, 04:06 PM
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You're really taking this farther than it needs to be. I'm not disputing the fact he's American, look at the post I replied to. Biggs is the son of a Canadian hockey player who I belive is back living in Canada (They moved back to Toronto; the entire family IIRC when Biggs came back to play his 15 year old season).

It's why I said if Stefan Matteau was on the US team he'd be another example, as he's the son of a Canadian NHLer (Stephane) who lives in Canada (Stephane Matteau lives in Boisbriand/Montreal Quebec).
Don still lives in Cincinnati. He coached the Jr A Tier III Queen City Steam just last season and for several seasons before that when Tyler was with the US Dev team and at Miami. Entire family did not move to Toronto when Tyler played his U16 season there.

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12-24-2012, 04:38 PM
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Jack Slater:

Say you grew up in Canada, born and raised, you cheered for Canada in everything - hockey, Olympics, curling, everything. You do this for 20+ years. You Bleed the Red and white maple leaf.

Finally you get married and have a child with another Canadian but move abroad for work. You still bleed the red and white maple leaf. Your child now cheers and bleeds the red and white maple leaf.

Can you see why the child who has never 'lived' in Canada would consider himself Canadian?
I suppose I can understand it, but as I said I do not care if he considers himself Canadian. He was trained in hockey in the USA, almost exclusively. I do not see how he can be viewed as anything other than an American hockey player, and as such I am not interested in seeing him ever play for Canada. Once again, as a person, I do not know or care what he should be considered. It's as weird to me as the Colin Wilson case, which went the opposite way.

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12-24-2012, 05:05 PM
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I suppose I can understand it, but as I said I do not care if he considers himself Canadian. He was trained in hockey in the USA, almost exclusively. I do not see how he can be viewed as anything other than an American hockey player, and as such I am not interested in seeing him ever play for Canada. Once again, as a person, I do not know or care what he should be considered. It's as weird to me as the Colin Wilson case, which went the opposite way.
It transcends hockey.

It's about national pride.

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12-24-2012, 06:33 PM
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I suppose I can understand it, but as I said I do not care if he considers himself Canadian. He was trained in hockey in the USA, almost exclusively. I do not see how he can be viewed as anything other than an American hockey player, and as such I am not interested in seeing him ever play for Canada. Once again, as a person, I do not know or care what he should be considered. It's as weird to me as the Colin Wilson case, which went the opposite way.
Well I'm glad you can understand it.

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12-24-2012, 10:42 PM
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Where he was trained is irrelevant anyway. He doesn't have American citizenship.

It's his choice. Tyler Myers, Galchenyuk, Hull etc all made their own choices.

If he considers himself Canadian, God bless him. If he considers himself American and decides to pursue citizenship, God bless him.

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12-24-2012, 10:59 PM
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Any more clips on this kid?

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12-24-2012, 11:16 PM
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I know this kid is good, and he deserves exceptional status, but 'exceptional' kinda loses it's meaning if you give it out 3 straight years...

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12-24-2012, 11:22 PM
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I know this kid is good, and he deserves exceptional status, but 'exceptional' kinda loses it's meaning if you give it out 3 straight years...
Not if the kid is good enough... Day is clearly better than any 97, 98, and probably any 99. He could probably play top 4 in the OHL right now, watch him play he's incredible, his skating is already at the NHL level.

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12-25-2012, 01:46 AM
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I know this kid is good, and he deserves exceptional status, but 'exceptional' kinda loses it's meaning if you give it out 3 straight years...
Don't get too caught up with the use of the word exceptional and conflate it with 'unique' and 'generational'. What the test is really: can this player play in the OHL at such a high level, and have the physical and mental strength where it would be ridiculous not to let them enter the league? They don't care whether there is a loss of lustre year to year simply because consecutive years in a row have seen players get exceptional player standing.

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12-25-2012, 07:21 AM
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Ekblad, McDavid, and Day are ALL deserving of exceptional status. I'm just hoping for atleast a small gap (2 seasons?) until we see another, so it kinda means something

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I'd be more upset if this kid is a center......

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12-25-2012, 07:52 PM
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Ekblad, McDavid, and Day are ALL deserving of exceptional status. I'm just hoping for atleast a small gap (2 seasons?) until we see another, so it kinda means something
Even if this thing is granted annually now, it's still exceptional.

You are the only 14 year old of how many kids players at your age that play hockey that gets to enter junior early? Reality with training the way it is now is that we'll probably be seeing an increasing amount of kids getting in early. Don't fixate yourself on the word "exceptional" they are playing junior early because they are ready to excel in junior at a young age, beyond any doubt.

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So, when do we get the decision on Exceptional Status?

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I know this kid is good, and he deserves exceptional status, but 'exceptional' kinda loses it's meaning if you give it out 3 straight years...
One kid per year is pretty exceptional.

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Don't get too caught up with the use of the word exceptional and conflate it with 'unique' and 'generational'. What the test is really: can this player play in the OHL at such a high level, and have the physical and mental strength where it would be ridiculous not to let them enter the league? They don't care whether there is a loss of lustre year to year simply because consecutive years in a row have seen players get exceptional player standing.

I like that word "conflate." I've seen it used on these boards a couple of other times recently. I think I'll go find out what it means and start using it.

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So, when do we get the decision on Exceptional Status?
Darren Dreger implied things may be figured out in February but the two recent EPS decisions were made in March.

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67's are putting themselves in great position to draft him. Dumped Ceci, Graovac, Janes and Giftopolous.

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Ekblad, McDavid, and Day are ALL deserving of exceptional status. I'm just hoping for atleast a small gap (2 seasons?) until we see another, so it kinda means something
I hope we have one every year, if the player is exceptional it shouldnt matter how often its given out. Every player who has gotten it has been a force in the NHL, thats exceptional.

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67's are putting themselves in great position to draft him. Dumped Ceci, Graovac, Janes and Giftopolous.
Him and Middelton would be a awesome paring.

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I hope we have one every year, if the player is exceptional it shouldnt matter how often its given out. Every player who has gotten it has been a force in the NHL, thats exceptional.
soooo....John Tavares?

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soooo....John Tavares?
My thoughts exactly.

However when looking back at other 15 year olds who played before the rule came in you have Spezza and Rico Fata. But I guess not every prospect is going to pan out no matter how ahead of the curve they are at 15.

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