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12-24-2012, 09:58 AM
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A deal surrounding Hamhuis and Plekanec. I don't want to trade Plekanec, but if the Habs want to trade him, they'll do it this year, while his value is still up there. Habs need a top 6 lw and a top pairing D. Losing Plekanec would be huge, but he's the only movable player that could fetch us one of our needs. With that said, I still expect Montreal to add to make it a fair deal. I don't know how Vancouver would feel about this deal, but I think they do it only if they can sign Edler. I know Hamhuis is their #1 and Plek fills a need at #3 C, but we all know Kesler is relativly fragile so Plek can take on the hard defensive duties and lets say Henrik & Ryan get hurt, they still have a #1 C in Plekanec who's able to play any unit. His contract is high for a #3 C on their roster, but I think you guys can take it. Vancouver fans let me know how much the Habs add. Habs fan let me know if you'd do it if the management had to trade him.

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12-24-2012, 10:01 AM
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Hamhuis is more valuable to us right now than Plekanec. It would be like asking for Seabrook from Chicago, and they actually need a 2C. Hamhuis is far more important to us than virtually any player playing on our third line, even though valuewise they are probably close.

So a polite "No thank you", especially as Hamhuis signed a hometown discount to stay here. I think he's our most untouchable player after the Sedins.

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12-24-2012, 10:01 AM
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A deal surrounding Hamhuis and Plekanec. I don't want to trade Plekanec, but if the Habs want to trade him, they'll do it this year, while his value is still up there. Habs need a top 6 lw and a top pairing D. Losing Plekanec would be huge, but he's the only movable player that could fetch us one of our needs. With that said, I still expect Montreal to add to make it a fair deal. I don't know how Vancouver would feel about this deal, but I think they do it only if they can sign Edler. I know Hamhuis is their #1 and Plek fills a need at #3 C, but we all know Kesler is relativly fragile so Plek can take on the hard defensive duties and lets say Henrik & Ryan get hurt, they still have a #1 C in Plekanec who's able to play any unit. His contract is high for a #3 C on their roster, but I think you guys can take it. Vancouver fans let me know how much the Habs add. Habs fan let me know if you'd do it if the management had to trade him.
No way in hell does VCR touch that deal, Hamhuis is their best dman. I know some people will spout about Edler, Hamhuis is the man on that D, and he is signed all cheap and whatnot.

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This makes zero sense for Vancouver.

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12-24-2012, 10:19 AM
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Hamhuis is pretty much untouchable.

Booth, Ballard, picks and prospects though should all be on the table for Plekanec. I seem to recall Gillis was after Plekanec a couple years ago...

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12-24-2012, 10:27 AM
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A deal surrounding Hamhuis and Plekanec. I don't want to trade Plekanec, but if the Habs want to trade him, they'll do it this year, while his value is still up there. Habs need a top 6 lw and a top pairing D. Losing Plekanec would be huge, but he's the only movable player that could fetch us one of our needs. With that said, I still expect Montreal to add to make it a fair deal. I don't know how Vancouver would feel about this deal, but I think they do it only if they can sign Edler. I know Hamhuis is their #1 and Plek fills a need at #3 C, but we all know Kesler is relativly fragile so Plek can take on the hard defensive duties and lets say Henrik & Ryan get hurt, they still have a #1 C in Plekanec who's able to play any unit. His contract is high for a #3 C on their roster, but I think you guys can take it. Vancouver fans let me know how much the Habs add. Habs fan let me know if you'd do it if the management had to trade him.
So you are acknowledging that Hamhuis is very important to Vancouver's d-core, yet you want us to trade him to fill our need for a 3rd line center?


I'm sure there are much easier ways to fill that need, maybe by trading a goalie.

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12-24-2012, 10:28 AM
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Ballard + Raymond?

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No way VAN trades Hamhuis.

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Hamhuis is pretty much untouchable.

Booth, Ballard, picks and prospects though should all be on the table for Plekanec. I seem to recall Gillis was after Plekanec a couple years ago...
What spec and picks would you offer? I don't think MTL has any interest in a concussion prone winger and overpaid defenseman

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12-24-2012, 11:04 AM
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Hamhuis is the type of defenseman Montreal would like to have next to Subban and Plekanec would be the piece we could trade for him but I don't see Vancouver having enough interest to make a deal.

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I'm also going to point out the obvious.
Hamhuis has a NTC, and signed in Vancouver (for less money than he was being offered from Philadelphia/Pittsburgh) because he wanted to play close to home.

I really doubt he would waive his NTC to play on a non-playoff team.

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12-24-2012, 11:49 AM
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I say Vancouver does it if Montreal negotiates on Vancouver's behalf to get Nashville to trade Weber for Kesler straight up, and they'd obviously have to negotiate with the rest of the board of governors to remove the restriction on trading newly signed matched offer-sheets.

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As a fan of both team, i really dont see how Vancouver could be remotely interested in this.

It just dont work.

Montreal could trade Plekanec at the deadline if we are out of the playoff, for pick and prospect.

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I say Vancouver does it if Montreal negotiates on Vancouver's behalf to get Nashville to trade Weber for Kesler straight up, and they'd obviously have to negotiate with the rest of the board of governors to remove the restriction on trading newly signed matched offer-sheets.
good suggestion, we will work on it

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I say Vancouver does it if Montreal negotiates on Vancouver's behalf to get Nashville to trade Weber for Kesler straight up, and they'd obviously have to negotiate with the rest of the board of governors to remove the restriction on trading newly signed matched offer-sheets.
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Hell no to the OP.

Whether or not Hamhuis or Edler is the Canucks' #1 dman is very debatable, but Hamhuis is far too valuable to the team to let go. Plekanec doesn't come close to bridging the gap, and if we're going to worry about shoring up the C position we're sure as hell not losing Hamhuis to do it.

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Ballard + Raymond?
For Pleks? No way from Montreal. Ballard is a bottom pairing defenseman and Raymond is a 3rd liner. Plekanec is a very good 2nd line center that plays pk and pp.

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12-24-2012, 12:32 PM
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Kassian
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He would be an amazing 2nd 3rd C.

It would make Vancouver sooo much more dangerous. Pleks is very under rated.

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12-24-2012, 01:06 PM
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He would be an amazing 2nd 3rd C.

It would make Vancouver sooo much more dangerous. Pleks is very under rated.
Plekanec is very good, but he would be utilized as a #3C. We can't trade our best prospect for that, it just doesn't correspond with Gillis' direction. He wants to get younger and bigger, Kassian is a direct representation of that. Unless we're trading Kassian as part of a package for an elite RW we'll likely keep him.

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12-24-2012, 01:23 PM
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Ballard for Bourque.

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For Pleks? No way from Montreal. Ballard is a bottom pairing defenseman and Raymond is a 3rd liner. Plekanec is a very good 2nd line center that plays pk and pp.
+ Ballard is overpaid. We've got enough of that on the Montreal roster.

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deal doesn't make sense for either team...and in the words of many who trash hab fans proposals: keep your underachievers..we don't want or need booth, kassian, raymond etc..
not for plekanecs. never. Gauthier isn't gm anymore

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Imagine ballard and raymond for plekanec. It's a good thing were not allowed to insult on this site. And where did Hamhuis all of a sudden get all of this valu. Just because he may be the #1 d in van, suddenly he's worth more than plekanec. I think it is more of a testament that Vancouver's d is their definite weakness. How many teams in the nhl would Hamhuis be the #1 on ? Seriously.

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Imagine ballard and raymond for plekanec. It's a good thing were not allowed to insult on this site. And where did Hamhuis all of a sudden get all of this valu. Just because he may be the #1 d in van, suddenly he's worth more than plekanec. I think it is more of a testament that Vancouver's d is their definite weakness. How many teams in the nhl would Hamhuis be the #1 on ? Seriously.
Someone here hasn't seen Hamhuis play in the last two years.

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With Sedin and Kesler where does Pleks fit for the Canucks? Just doesn't make sense for them and I don't think the Habs can afford to move him as we'll right now

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I seriously doubt Hamhuis is available when Edler is a pending UFA.

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