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12-23-2012, 02:27 PM
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Yes, for offensive defencemen, on the powerplay, there's an inherent advantage to playing the offside. But those opportunities don't come nearly often enough at 5on5 to make a difference as to which side is played.

It's also not a matter of "displacing" a defenceman. It would be a 5-man rotation when everyone is healthy.
You don't...watch a lot of Canucks hockey do you? With the way our system is set up, handedness is more important then, well, maybe speed, in an Alain Vignault system. For right or wrong, we've had very good players get benched when they can't transition for KTHSN's reasons, and get someone like Rome, who can transition better, get 20+ minutes a night in some cases.

Any way, back to topic, most I'd see the Canucks giving would be Booth for Gunnarsson+, but he's needed here, and Toronto has a fine stable of NHL wingers, I think I can call that case closed on my part, with a polite no thank you from either side.

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You don't...watch a lot of Canucks hockey do you? With the way our system is set up, handedness is more important then, well, maybe speed, in an Alain Vignault system. For right or wrong, we've had very good players get benched when they can't transition for KTHSN's reasons, and get someone like Rome, who can transition better, get 20+ minutes a night in some cases.

Any way, back to topic, most I'd see the Canucks giving would be Booth for Gunnarsson+, but he's needed here, and Toronto has a fine stable of NHL wingers, I think I can call that case closed on my part, with a polite no thank you from either side.
You don't... have the ability to think about how teams adapt to the personnel they have.

Gunnarsson is an excellent transition defenceman, and as such would quite easily earn 20+ on a balanced Cancuks blueline. Of course, it's not going to happen because Gunnarsson isn't going anywhere.... but that's beyond the point.

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12-24-2012, 11:35 AM
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If Carl Gunnarsson is getting traded, I can almost guarantee that it will be in a package deal of some sort with either James Reimer and/or a bunch of the 2nd/3rd line forwards.

Players likely to be jettisoned in a trade:
Tyler Bozak
Tim Connolly
Matthew Lombardi
Clarke MacArthur

Of course, none of those guys are signed beyond this season, which looks more and more like a full season lockout. So most likely none of them get traded.

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12-24-2012, 03:52 PM
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You don't... have the ability to think about how teams adapt to the personnel they have.

Gunnarsson is an excellent transition defenceman, and as such would quite easily earn 20+ on a balanced Cancuks blueline. Of course, it's not going to happen because Gunnarsson isn't going anywhere.... but that's beyond the point.
But that's just it, the Canucks won't have a "balanced" blue line. That's why Ballard, although I feel last season he played as well as Salo, and at times, as well as Bieksa, he is still getting 12-15 minutes a night.

Vignault forces defenders to earn that time, and it's entirely on a curve. Having Edler and Hamhuis playing the role of offensive or defensive specialist (2 of the 3 roles he wants a defender to be, the other being physical) kind of screws him up. I feel Gunnarsson, who would more then likely be a top 4 defender on most teams, wouldn't crack our top four (especially initially, as coach V is a bit of a xenophobe).

This is unless he could seemlessly play on the right side in exactly the role Vignault wants from him, as well as out plays Garrison/Ballard/Edler for that 2nd pairing RHD, making him psychic as well as a tremendous hockey player. I can say he's definately one over the other with certanty though. Our defensive structure is ridiculously rigid.

As for a proposal, I've put up Booth as my return. We need him more then we'd need Gunnar, and I know the same is true in Toronto with their wing depth, so it's not a good fit, I just saw that you were trying to make the argument he could fit in Vancouver, and I just entirely disagree. Lets draw the line, I won't make any more proposals for Gunnarsson, and we agree it's best that Toronto, if they are looking to move him for a foward, not look to Vancouver, who are looking to upgrade to higher end talent in terms of wingers and defenders. Sound reasonable?

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But that's just it, the Canucks won't have a "balanced" blue line. That's why Ballard, although I feel last season he played as well as Salo, and at times, as well as Bieksa, he is still getting 12-15 minutes a night.

Vignault forces defenders to earn that time, and it's entirely on a curve. Having Edler and Hamhuis playing the role of offensive or defensive specialist (2 of the 3 roles he wants a defender to be, the other being physical) kind of screws him up. I feel Gunnarsson, who would more then likely be a top 4 defender on most teams, wouldn't crack our top four (especially initially, as coach V is a bit of a xenophobe).

This is unless he could seemlessly play on the right side in exactly the role Vignault wants from him, as well as out plays Garrison/Ballard/Edler for that 2nd pairing RHD, making him psychic as well as a tremendous hockey player. I can say he's definately one over the other with certanty though. Our defensive structure is ridiculously rigid.

As for a proposal, I've put up Booth as my return. We need him more then we'd need Gunnar, and I know the same is true in Toronto with their wing depth, so it's not a good fit, I just saw that you were trying to make the argument he could fit in Vancouver, and I just entirely disagree. Lets draw the line, I won't make any more proposals for Gunnarsson, and we agree it's best that Toronto, if they are looking to move him for a foward, not look to Vancouver, who are looking to upgrade to higher end talent in terms of wingers and defenders. Sound reasonable?
Again, Vignault's system is built around the players he's given... that changes if the Canucks were able to add Carl Gunnarsson. He's an easy fit on just about any team including the Canucks, they're just not going to part with the pieces we need.

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12-24-2012, 05:10 PM
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Gunnar's such a beast.

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