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Boone Jenner Suspended 3 Games For Hit on Pettersson (MOD WARNING #422)

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12-24-2012, 04:44 PM
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Maybe it doesn't, but makes the difference between an illegal hit and a legal hit.
I never said it was a legal hit. I agree with the penalty he got and the ejection based on the injury. But thats all I agree on.

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12-24-2012, 04:45 PM
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So what? That's a wrong definition of "clean", and that was not a clean hit.

Suspension deserved.

Thankfully, shouldn't impact Canada's chances of gold too much.
No, but we won't be changing anyones opinion on this matter any time soon.

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12-24-2012, 04:45 PM
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A late hit is a dirty hit.
Exactly. Being late is just like raising an elbow - that aspect alone can be enough to turn an otherwise not-dirty hit into a dirty hit.

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I hope this doesn't affect his play in the future.

Keep hitting players hard and keep finishing your checks!

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Exactly. Being late is just like raising an elbow - that aspect alone can be enough to turn an otherwise not-dirty hit into a dirty hit.
Not at all. SLIGHTLY late hits like this one are way less dangerous than elbows to the head or blindside hits.

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Fare enough, people just keep throwing the "dirty player" title on the kid. He is no Cooke or Downie, not even close.
Understandable. Like I said, I agree with the suspension, but if Petterson wants to play in the NHL some day, he better understand that not everyone is going to play by the rules.

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I hope this doesn't affect his play in the future.

Keep hitting players hard and keep finishing your checks!
It shouldn't, he's been suspended before and that didn't stop him.

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I hope this doesn't affect his play in the future.

Keep hitting players hard and keep finishing your checks!



Not at all. SLIGHTLY late hits like this one are way less dangerous than elbows to the head or blindside hits.
Agreed

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12-24-2012, 04:50 PM
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It shouldn't, he's been suspended before and that didn't stop him.
For what besides spearing Kuznetsov after a lot of back and forth? He hasn't been suspended for anything hit related.

Jenner is actually a quite clean player. He's just had that one incident last WJC and this one. Hopefully he keeps on crushing players with big open ice hits.

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12-24-2012, 04:52 PM
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SLIGHTLY late hits like this one...
It wasn't slightly late, it was very late.

He's gone, time to move on.

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12-24-2012, 04:54 PM
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It wasn't slightly late, it was very late.

He's gone, time to move on.
It wasn't at all.

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"It was not a malicious hit," Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson said. "It was a little late."
http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...ers/index.html

I'll take what he and scouts watching the WJC say over you thanks.

Late in my opinion is 2 - 3 seconds. Yes I know how fast the game goes and yes I know that there can be time to pull out and avoid a hit. I think finishing checks is a very important part of the game.

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Wait, so not having the puck is as dangerous as having your skull smashed into glass?

I promise you if the puck was still on his stick the injuries would have been just as bad, having a puck does not magically protect you.
The rules of the game are that if you don't have the puck you are not eligible to be hit by an opposing player. Therefore players rightly do not have their head up looking to be hit at all times while on the ice. Petersson got rid of the puck and Jenner had more than ample time to see that and avoid contact with a player who did not have the puck. It wasn't slightly late, slightly late is Noesen's hit. The puck is gone in Noesen's hit, but because Noesen had already started hitting the player it wasn't late. (Of course it was illegal for other reasons) Jenner is at the top of the circle when Petersson releases the puck on the goaline. He hasn't plenty of time to avoid hitting a player who does not have the puck.

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It wasn't at all.
Yes, it was.

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I'll take what he and scouts watching the WJC say over you thanks.
Of course. You are as free as everyone else to choose opinions that agree with yours.

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It wasn't at all.



http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...ers/index.html

I'll take what he and scouts watching the WJC say over you thanks.
Clearly there is no other reason why Scott Howson would say something like that. Or not...

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For what besides spearing Kuznetsov after a lot of back and forth? He hasn't been suspended for anything hit related.
Even calling that a spear is a reach. and it was more than well deserved.



Isangulov got 1 game for a high elbow to the head...

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Jenner is not an inherently dirty player, just physical. Unfortunately physically players screw up and when they do they need to get dealt with. That hit was ridiculously late, he deserved to get suspended, three games is reasonable. He should just be thankful it was. not more at wj.

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Clearly there is no other reason why Scott Howson would say something like that. Or not...
Yeah it's because he's totally biased you're right.

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He jumped and targeted the head. If Jenner jumped or targeted the head he should be gone for the entire World Jrs, but thats not what happened.
Lets be clear, Noesen left his feet and hit the player high and deserved his suspension, but he did not target the head or directly hit the player in the head. There was nothing in the OHL's disciplinary comments that said anything about hitting or targeting the head. He was suspended for a major charging with injury. Jenner's hit was just as dangerous and NOT legal

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Even calling that a spear is a reach. and it was more than well deserved.



Isangulov got 1 game for a high elbow to the head...
A spear is well deserved?

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The rules of the game are that if you don't have the puck you are not eligible to be hit by an opposing player. Therefore players rightly do not have their head up looking to be hit at all times while on the ice. Petersson got rid of the puck and Jenner had more than ample time to see that and avoid contact with a player who did not have the puck. It wasn't slightly late, slightly late is Noesen's hit. The puck is gone in Noesen's hit, but because Noesen had already started hitting the player it wasn't late. (Of course it was illegal for other reasons) Jenner is at the top of the circle when Petersson releases the puck on the goaline. He hasn't plenty of time to avoid hitting a player who does not have the puck.
.3-.4 seconds isn't sightly late? I guess the rest of us need to start reacting in nano-seconds like you.

The Noesen hit shouldn't even be compared to this, not sure why you keep going on about it since it was completely different.

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Except for the fact there is no way that is a 3 game suspension in the NHL.

They might have given him 5 minutes because an injury caused by a penalty, but the NHL focusus on the hit. Shoulder to shoulder, no elbow, and didn't leave his feet.

There's no doubt the hit was late, unnecessary, and a bit stupid, but let's not pretend the NHL and IIHF handle these matters in the same manner.
This is an international tournament, not the chl, nhl or ahl. How the hit would have been handled in NA is as insignificant as how it would have been handled in mozambique. Had the refs been from NA, perhaps that would have made a difference (even though it shouldnt in a perfect world). But that is the lottery that is the IIHF is. This isnt "europe" vs "NA", its just the same rules for everyone, and everyone has to deal with the circumstances.

Thats what is necessary to have an international tournament like the WJC. This whole "in NA we know so much better" thing is so stupid, its hard to bear.

sorry if i offended anyone...

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Yeah it's because he's totally biased you're right.
Yeah that is exactly it, and I know I'm right.

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A spear is well deserved?
He barely tapped him withhis blade after he was injured and the player came by and chirped him about it. You want ot be an ass-hat, expect a reaction. I have no issue with the love tape he gave to tell the guy to top being an *******.

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Guys, this is a touchy subject but we need to stay in check or I'll have it closed.

Play Nice.

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A spear is well deserved?
Yes, as is a fight or a big hit. There are consequences for actions on the ice. I wouldn't be complaining had Jenner been the victim of a huge hit. I would be saying that he needs to have his head up and aware of who is around him.

The attitude that the IIHF took, that Jenner should have avoided physical contact, needs to be minimized. Physical contact in hockey that doesn't involve the head or neck needs to be protected and encouraged, not discouraged.

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Yeah that is exactly it, and I know I'm right.
Good for you I guess... you can't prove it and therefore it's without merit or weight.

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.3-.4 seconds isn't sightly late? I guess the rest of us need to start reacting in nano-seconds like you.

The Noesen hit shouldn't even be compared to this, not sure why you keep going on about it since it was completely different.
I used it as an example because you can easily see the difference in a not late hit versus a very late hit and the video is available in this thread. I can skate half the length of the ice in a few seconds. If a player can release the puck and allow me, a beer league skater to cross half the ice to hit him, then I don't think interference should even be a penalty.

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