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12-24-2012, 08:18 PM
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Since we are working off of 1/2 a season cap rates now, this is the Nucks best chance to win a cup!!!

Sign Clark as a 7th D...for $400k cap hit
Sign Arnott as 3rd line C...for $900K cap hit

Trade Luongo to TOR for Lupul and Colbourne...Lupul is a UFA and Colbourne a prospect...And Lupul HATES Randy CARLYE...RC said he would never be a top FWD in the NHL when he played in ANA

TRADE LU and go for the cup instead of trying to win a trade!

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Jason Arnott ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Brett Clark ($0.400m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,020,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,180,000

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12-24-2012, 09:14 PM
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While I'd change up your lines a bit, I'd be fine with that, and it doesn't seem that unlikely either. I'd prefer Kadri to Colborne, though.

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Since we are working off of 1/2 a season cap rates now, this is the Nucks best chance to win a cup!!!

Sign Clark as a 7th D...for $400k cap hit
Sign Arnott as 3rd line C...for $900K cap hit

Trade Luongo to TOR for Lupul and Colbourne...Lupul is a UFA and Colbourne a prospect...And Lupul HATES Randy CARLYE...RC said he would never be a top FWD in the NHL when he played in ANA

TRADE LU and go for the cup instead of trying to win a trade!

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Jason Arnott ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Brett Clark ($0.400m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,020,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,180,000
I like that lineup, not sure how well Lupul-Kesler-Booth would click, though.

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12-25-2012, 12:00 AM
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Could anyone remind me when Edler played on the right, and who his partner was? I can't remember him spending anything more than a cup of coffee over there.

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12-25-2012, 12:38 AM
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Since we are working off of 1/2 a season cap rates now, this is the Nucks best chance to win a cup!!!

Sign Clark as a 7th D...for $400k cap hit
Sign Arnott as 3rd line C...for $900K cap hit

Trade Luongo to TOR for Lupul and Colbourne...Lupul is a UFA and Colbourne a prospect...And Lupul HATES Randy CARLYE...RC said he would never be a top FWD in the NHL when he played in ANA

TRADE LU and go for the cup instead of trying to win a trade!

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Jason Arnott ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Brett Clark ($0.400m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,020,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,180,000
Arnott is declining quickly. We're almost better off hoping that Malhotra regains pre-injury form than signing Arnott. Lack has had a rough season with the Wolves this year, GAA of 3.00 and .899 save %. If the season started now, I don't think he makes the team. Matt Climie's numbers have been much more repectable than Lack's. Find an extra 500K and we could buy time waiting for the right goalie trade. Toronto hasn't offered us any more than scraps for Luongo, let alone Lupul.

Kesler is months behind on re-habbing from surgery, I'm starting to doubt he'll be back this year, CBA settlement or not. Alberts hasn't show that he can cut it as a #6 D-man. Tanev will probably grab that spot. $400K cap hit for Clark? Are you hoping that league minimum goes down?

Of course, this is all very hypothetical. Without a CBA, no one knows what the landscape will look like if there's a settlement and a '12-'13 season.

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12-25-2012, 06:45 PM
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I don't remember the Gilman interview, but Bowness had an interview on 1040 and said that they'll first try Garrison on the left with either Bieksa or Edler on the right (mentioned in the Canucksarmy article).

http://canucksarmy.com/2012/11/15/ri...ing-edler-over

Also, Garrison has recently mentioned that he's been paired with Edler during practice drills (could also be because they've both been rehabbing with the Canucks)


http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/12...ed-by-canucks/


I think they'll try Edler on Garrison's right, realize it's going to be an abject failure, and then switch Garrison to the right side. This will be the pairing IMO. It allows Edler to play to his strength, Garrison to play to his shot, and it keeps the other "working" pairings intact.


Edler-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Alberts

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12-25-2012, 07:16 PM
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I think they'll try Edler on Garrison's right, realize it's going to be an abject failure, and then switch Garrison to the right side. This will be the pairing IMO. It allows Edler to play to his strength, Garrison to play to his shot, and it keeps the other "working" pairings intact.


Edler-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Alberts
Why do you think it would be better to play Garrison on his off side than Edler? I think it's more likely that the puck rusher would excel on his off side than the defensive anchor on the pairing.

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12-25-2012, 07:18 PM
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Why do you think it would be better to play Garrison on his off side than Edler? I think it's more likely that the puck rusher would excel on his off side than the defensive anchor on the pairing.
Garrison has more experience on the right side than Edler. Garrison played the RS on the power play all last season with Campbell.

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12-25-2012, 07:20 PM
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Playing RS in a static offensive zone situation doesn't really provide valuable experience for 5-5 play. Heck, last year Edler played a lot of RS on the PP with Salo sliding over to the left to play to both their shots.

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12-25-2012, 10:05 PM
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Could anyone remind me when Edler played on the right, and who his partner was? I can't remember him spending anything more than a cup of coffee over there.
I believe he played on the right with Ohlund.

Mitchell Bieksa
Ohlund Edler
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12-25-2012, 10:07 PM
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Why do you think it would be better to play Garrison on his off side than Edler? I think it's more likely that the puck rusher would excel on his off side than the defensive anchor on the pairing.
I agree. Edler on the right. Garrison on the left.

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12-26-2012, 12:53 AM
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I believe he played on the right with Ohlund.

Mitchell Bieksa
Ohlund Edler
O'Brien Salo
That would mean his breakout year was on the right. I'd also hope that he's progressed a bit as a player in the past 3.5 years.

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12-26-2012, 01:41 AM
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Since we are working off of 1/2 a season cap rates now, this is the Nucks best chance to win a cup!!!

Sign Clark as a 7th D...for $400k cap hit
Sign Arnott as 3rd line C...for $900K cap hit

Trade Luongo to TOR for Lupul and Colbourne...Lupul is a UFA and Colbourne a prospect...And Lupul HATES Randy CARLYE...RC said he would never be a top FWD in the NHL when he played in ANA

TRADE LU and go for the cup instead of trying to win a trade!

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Jason Arnott ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Brett Clark ($0.400m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,020,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,180,000
Add a pick if we have to and get Kadri included with the Luongo deal. Arnott has been on a decline for some time now and couldn't keep up with a tortoise. Raymond would be among the worst linemates imaginable, although with the rush oriented style we deploy, Arnott himself would be at an absolute loss. I also agree with concerns regarding Lack and would prefer a temporary stopgap.

In fact, perhaps something alone the lines of:

Luongo+Raymond+pick for Lupul+Kadri+Reimer/Scrivens

Personally, I would favor Scrivens because of his salary and the possibility of us mentoring him alongside Lack. Certainly wouldn't care either way mind you.

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Ben Scrivens ($0.613m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,872,500; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,177,500

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12-26-2012, 04:51 AM
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Why do you think it would be better to play Garrison on his off side than Edler? I think it's more likely that the puck rusher would excel on his off side than the defensive anchor on the pairing.

Because I think Garrison will transition to the right side "easier" than Edler would. Edler's having a tough time on the left as it is. No need to complicate the matter further...


Normally I would agree, have Edler on the right. I just don't think it will work out that way in this scenario.

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ECHLFreak, I agree this is the Canucks best shot. To that end, I am suggesting a radical trade;

Luongo and Edler to Edmonton for Smyth, Hordichuk and Sutton.

The short season will help these vets and after the cup run the rebuild can begin in earnest.

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12-26-2012, 02:16 PM
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ECHLFreak, I agree this is the Canucks best shot. To that end, I am suggesting a radical trade;

Luongo and Edler to Edmonton for Smyth, Hordichuk and Sutton.

The short season will help these vets and after the cup run the rebuild can begin in earnest.
I think you enjoyed too much 'Christmas cheer' the last couple of days.

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I think you enjoyed too much 'Christmas cheer' the last couple of days.
I'd buy that theory if the wackjob posting had only started recently.

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I'd b upset at ECHLfreak's return, but Lupul as a base is what I was pushing for for awhile. Lupul+1st is what I wanted, and Colborne, for our purposes this year, would likely be better then a pick from a team with Luongo in net, as in a pinch he can cover our bottom lines in the event of an injury. If it was a condensed season, sure, I suppose, but I'd still rather just keep Luongo if that's the best we could do.

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I'd buy that theory if the wackjob posting had only started recently.
He's kidding...I mean, he still might be drunk. But he's kidding.

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I still stick with Shore, Petrovic and a 1st from Florida as the best return asset-wise. Kadri, Finn and a 1st from Toronto helps a touch more this year. Either of those deals are what I want from a Luongo trade.

Starting with the Florida trade I'd couple it with picking up one of Boychuk or Dalpe from Carolina for a pick and trading Raymond to Nashville with a pick for Blum, or with Schroeder to Phoenix for Rundblad. I'd then offload Ballard to the NYI for a second round pick.

This year:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Booth - Boychuk/Dalpe - Kassian
Malhotra - Lapierre - Wiese

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Blum

Alberts, Petrovic

Schneider
Lack

Next year

Sedin - Sedin - Perry (Scoring Line 1)
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen (Checking Line 1)
Booth - Dalpe/Boychuk - Kassian (Scoring Line 2)
Lapierre - Shore/Gaunce - Wiese (Checking Line 2)
Shore/Gaunce, Jensen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Blum
Garrison - Tanev

Sauve, Petrovic

Schneider
Lack

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Bored..


Sergei Gonchar, Zack Smith, OTT 1st
for
Alexander Edler, Jordan Schroder

Steve Mason, CLB 2nd
for
Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin

Nikolai Kulemin, Carl Gunnarsson, TOR 3rd
for
Roberto Luongo, Yann Sauve

Evgeni Malkin
for
Ryan Kesler, David Booth, Keith Ballard



Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Alexander Burrows
Nikolai Kulemin - Evgeni Malkin - Zack Kassian
Chris Higgins - Maxim Lapierre - Jannik Hansen
Aaron Volpatti - Zack Smith - Dale Weise

ex - Manny Malhotra

Dan Hamhuis - Kevin Bieksa
Jason Garrison - Carl Gunnarsson
Sergei Gonchar - Chris Tanev

ex - Andrew Alberts

Cory Schneider
Steve Mason


Still have Jensen, Gaunce and Corrado..

Have 6 picks in the top 3 rounds..maybe we could get a kid in the WJC's..

OTT and VAN 1st
CLB and VAN 2nd
TOR and VAN 3rd



Chris Kunitz - Sidney Crosby - James Neal
David Booth - Ryan Kesler - Pascal Dupuis
Matt Cooke - Brandon Sutter - Tyler Kennedy
Tanner Glass - Dustin Jeffrey - Craig Adams

ex - Tangradi, Vitale, Macintyre

Paul Martin - Kris Letang
Keith Ballard - Matt Niskanen
Brooks Orpik - Deryk Engelland

ex - Strait, Lovejoy, Bortuzzo

Marc Andre Fleury
Tomas Vokoun (the only euro on the whole team)

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At first I was thinking you're undervaluing our players by a fair margin, until I saw that Malkin deal which made me go "huh?".

Malkin would realistically go for Kesler + Edler + Kassian + 1st.

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Edler for Gonchar? Do you... hate us? Though after seeing the Malkin deal, I'm just confused.

Like van insinuated. Malkin would be a roster slaughtering acquisition.

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I'm bored yet again, so time for another highly unlikely bunch of trade proposals.

1. Roberto Luongo to Toronto for Nikolai Kulemin, Nazem Kadri, Percy/Finn, and a 2nd round pick 2013
2. Nikolai Kulemin to Phoenix for Rostislav Klesla
3. Rostislav Klesla to NY Islanders for Frans Nielsen
4. Mason Raymond, Keith Ballard, Nazem Kadri, and TOR's 2nd round pick (and maybe a little something extra) to Ottawa for Daniel Alfredsson and Sergei Gonchar*
5. A prospect or mid draft pick to Florida for Scott Clemmensen**

So in the end it's Luongo, Ballard, and Raymond for Alfredsson, Gonchar, Nielsen, and a Percy/Finn.

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Frans Nielsen ($2.750m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Dale Weise ($0.615m)

DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)

GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Scott Clemmensen ($1.200m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,085,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,115,000

$1,115,000 to spend on a depth d-man.


* If Ottawa is out of the playoff picture and Alfie wants to win a cup before he retires, he could become available.
** If Florida wants Markstrom to play in the NHL, there isn't room for Clemmensen (a good veteran backup goalie).

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Alfredsson will retire a Senator.

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