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NHL lockout has little impact on minor league attendance

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12-24-2012, 10:14 AM
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NHL lockout has little impact on minor league attendance

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...Top+Stories%29

Which is not what the pundits seemed to be pushing a few months ago.

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12-24-2012, 10:17 AM
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This is very good news, a ray of hope for the sport in the US

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12-24-2012, 10:49 AM
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I would have loved it if the minor league attendance increased because of the lockout though.

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I was definitely among the group who thought attendance would increase but now that I think about it, this shouldn't be too unexpected.

Pittsburgh fans, for example, are not going to drive to Wilkes-Barre to see their AHL clubs. Rangers fans aren't going to head out to Hartford.

I wonder how well the few minor league teams which share a market with their parent club have done. I'm pretty sure that the Marlies have seen an across the board increase in attendance, topped off with what will be a sold-out Air Canada Centre game this boxing day.

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I'm not surprised at all. David Branch has claimed in numerous interviews that the lockout has no effect on OHL or CHL attendance at all.

What does that say?

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Its not surprising because NHL and minor pro or junior hockey are different products. Pricing is completely different and the demographics at the games are much different.

NHL and NBA are probably closer substitutes

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I'm not surprised at all. David Branch has claimed in numerous interviews that the lockout has no effect on OHL or CHL attendance at all.

What does that say?
Most CHL cities don't have NHL teams.

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Wolves attendance is down 1,400 under last year's average. Wish I had the number for their average just til this date last season.

Toronto is up 700.

Those are the only 2 places with NHL and AHL teams.

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12-25-2012, 10:36 AM
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lol now watch all the pro owners posters back peddel and make excuses because there whole thing was they don't need the players and can just get AHL and CHL players put them in NHL jerseys and boom fans will flock in....

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Most CHL cities don't have NHL teams.
Wait- are you saying places like Brampton, Mississauga, Kingston, Ottawa, Plymouth, Niagara, Windsor, and Oshawa are too far for NHL fans to go to?

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Most CHL cities don't have NHL teams.
True, but every Canadian NHL city with the exceptin of Winnipeg has CHL teams. Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, with Mississauga near Toronto and Boisbriand outside Montreal. Also, Plymouth and Windsor are on either side of Detroit.

Having said that, the Vancouver Giants attendance hasn't increased like some thought it would. being in a rebuilding year and having NHL fans say "Well they suck this year so I'm not going to bother" doesn't help either. Too bad because even with the losses the games I've been to have been pretty exciting.

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Wolves attendance is down 1,400 under last year's average. Wish I had the number for their average just til this date last season.
Wolves are 650 ahead of where they were this time last year.

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Wolves attendance is down 1,400 under last year's average. Wish I had the number for their average just til this date last season.

Toronto is up 700.

Those are the only 2 places with NHL and AHL teams.
Abbotsford/Vancouver could be considered the same. Since a lot of people who go to the games in Vancouver are located in Surrey, which happens to be right between Vancouver and Abbotsford.

Don't know the attendance numbers though.

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I think the lockout is a wet blanket over hockey interest in North America. I guess some European leagues with lots of NHL players might have had increased interest.

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So, maybe something that has been reviewed; where has the 1.7 billion in revenue gone? (who has profited from stoppage?) (assuming roughly half season is gone)

NBA?
AHL-ECHL (no)
NFL?
Poker?
Pockets


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So, maybe something that has been reviewed; where has the 1.7 billion in revenue gone? (who has profited from stoppage?) (assuming roughly half season is gone)

NBA?
AHL-ECHL (no)
NFL?
Poker?
Pockets
The biggest chunk is probably still sitting in STH accounts with the teams.

Other than that, non-corporate $$$'s have likely been spent on other discretionary spending - restaurants, movies, vacations, iPads, whatever. Virtually every academic study has shown that a team/arena generates little new economic activity - it just displaces other spending in the region.

Corporate $$$'s - corporate STHs, luxury boxes, advertising & sponsorships, broadcast $$$'s - are a little more complicated. Some has been shifted elsewhere, some has been deferred and unspent.

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Minor league hockey is just boring.

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lol now watch all the pro owners posters back peddel and make excuses because there whole thing was they don't need the players and can just get AHL and CHL players put them in NHL jerseys and boom fans will flock in....
This completely ignores the established brands and markets.

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Minor league hockey is just boring.
This begs a question- are most fans "hockey fans" or "NHL fans?"

I keep thinking of all of the comments about Hamilton-

"We sold out the Preds in minutes"

"If an NHL team played in Copps, you couldn't get a ticket"

Copps holds ~ 17,000 and the Bulldogs are averaging 6,596 this season.

I have no doubt an NHL team would sell out in Copps. What does this mean?

NHL fans?

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What does that say?
People like rooting for their city. They aren't fans of the actual games. As long as someone from city x can say they are better than city y, you'll have fans watching it regardless of sport.

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