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D Mikael Wikstrand - Färjestad BK, SHL (2012, 196th, OTT)

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12-26-2012, 01:50 PM
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You can twist my words out of context as much as you wish, but I've been pretty damn clear that he's played like a 1st rounder through 3 games I've seen, and that this is not enough of a sample size to make conclusions.

The problem with HF is some jump to conclusions and assume everyone's an idiot.

If he plays like crap against Canada, I'll adjust my thinking.
I should first stipulate that in the limited viewings of Wikstrand that i have had, he has impressed me. Impressive statistics, tool box and development curve. Definitely an interesting prospect.

However, the last line you give somewhat contradicts the whole opinion. If one game can affect your thinking on a player, then something is fundamentally wrong. If one game can change your mind, then your sample size before likely isn't strong enough, or you're simply a fickle evaluator of talent. People make this mistake far too often with both team and players. They see one game where a player plays poorly (especially perhaps relative to the hype) and adjust their opinion. Realistically, teams and players (young players especially) will vary from game to game in performance.

We shouldn't be bothering to talk about Wikstrand relative to an NHL draft. He's been drafted. The draft for all players taken in 2012 is irrelevant (outside of money for contracts) ; it is what lays ahead that is important. Wikstrand seems to be a very promising player who could one day become a solid NHL player, or more. No need to bring pointless discussions of the NHL draft back ; it's done and dusted.

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12-26-2012, 02:12 PM
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However, the last line you give somewhat contradicts the whole opinion. If one game can affect your thinking on a player, then something is fundamentally wrong.
Do you know what it means when someone admits that their viewing sample size is small?

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12-26-2012, 02:35 PM
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Do you know what it means when someone admits that their viewing sample size is small?
And do you know what it means when someone states something, only to say this view may change via one more viewing.

Do you not see the sillyness of it?

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12-26-2012, 02:56 PM
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And do you know what it means when someone states something, only to say this view may change via one more viewing.

Do you not see the sillyness of it?
It would actually be silly not to adjust your thinking if that one viewing comprises 25% of all your viewings.

The point is with a small sample, you can't make any conclusions. What MOO is saying is that if this small sample (of 3 games) is representative of his actual skill level and not just a blip on the radar, then he'll be quite the steal.

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It would actually be silly not to adjust your thinking if that one viewing comprises 25% of all your viewings.

The point is with a small sample, you can't make any conclusions. What MOO is saying is that if this small sample (of 3 games) is representative of his actual skill level and not just a blip on the radar, then he'll be quite the steal.
If you catch 3 good games, and one poor game, what do you think? Do you use the poor game as a representation, or do you simple still think "Has interesting tools, projectable, will keep eye on" rather than pointless talk about the 1st round of the draft.

It could and should have been left at that. Instead needless useless talk of where he should have gone in the draft comes up. The draft is done. It's really useless to frame his development path within the restrictions of "what tier would he go now".

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This place is a Zoo come WJC time. One of the reasons I hate this tournament is how much people judge kids off these games. Having a good tournament doesn't guarantee you NHL stardom.

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12-26-2012, 03:39 PM
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This place is a Zoo come WJC time. One of the reasons I hate this tournament is how much people judge kids off these games. Having a good tournament doesn't guarantee you NHL stardom.
..like ryan omarra would say

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saw him play for the first time against czech today. was suprised how physical he was. does he always play like that?
Most of what I've seen of him was at Sens development camp so sample size is VERY limited but I believe he was drafted based on his defensive prowess and physicality. That's at least the impression that I got post draft. I recall staff comparing him to fellow Swede and Sens 2011 pick Freddie Claesson who's of similar stature and plays an aggressive brand of defense.

They looked very similar in their first development camps (2011 and 2012) in my eyes. Both didn't look out of place and were pleasant surprises for late round picks coming over from Europe.

Fast forward to today, Claesson just turned 20 and is playing quite well for a very good Binghamton Senators team. Great PKer and progressing well as the defensive minded D he was projected as. Wikstrand on the other hand is showing something that I doubt most scouts or coaches saw with his offensive game. Sens did a good job scouting these guys, nice pick ups in the 5th and 7th.

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12-26-2012, 04:54 PM
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I should first stipulate that in the limited viewings of Wikstrand that i have had, he has impressed me. Impressive statistics, tool box and development curve. Definitely an interesting prospect.

However, the last line you give somewhat contradicts the whole opinion. If one game can affect your thinking on a player, then something is fundamentally wrong. If one game can change your mind, then your sample size before likely isn't strong enough, or you're simply a fickle evaluator of talent. People make this mistake far too often with both team and players. They see one game where a player plays poorly (especially perhaps relative to the hype) and adjust their opinion. Realistically, teams and players (young players especially) will vary from game to game in performance.

We shouldn't be bothering to talk about Wikstrand relative to an NHL draft. He's been drafted. The draft for all players taken in 2012 is irrelevant (outside of money for contracts) ; it is what lays ahead that is important. Wikstrand seems to be a very promising player who could one day become a solid NHL player, or more. No need to bring pointless discussions of the NHL draft back ; it's done and dusted.
"Adjust my thinking" is very vague but it seems like you assumed what I meant, and I guess that's not unexpected.

If he sucks against Canada say, it'll be a D mark to go with some A marks. Meaning "continue to evaluate to find his consistent level". Opinions on players are pretty volatile in the early going. I don't expect him to suck against Canada but its those games that will carry a lot of weight.

To be fair, he's been turning heads all year this is just our first chance to see him. Easy for me to say he's better than I expected.

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And do you know what it means when someone states something, only to say this view may change via one more viewing.

Do you not see the sillyness of it?
No. This is the first look that the vast majority of north american hockey fans are seeing of Wikstrand. Opinions are starting to be formed, like it or not. It's not silly for anyone to start being cautiously optimistic about his play after a few games.

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No. This is the first look that the vast majority of north american hockey fans are seeing of Wikstrand. Opinions are starting to be formed, like it or not. It's not silly for anyone to start being cautiously optimistic about his play after a few games.
You've fundamentally missed my point.

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12-26-2012, 06:15 PM
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However, the last line you give somewhat contradicts the whole opinion. If one game can affect your thinking on a player, then something is fundamentally wrong. If one game can change your mind, then your sample size before likely isn't strong enough, or you're simply a fickle evaluator of talent. People make this mistake far too often with both team and players. They see one game where a player plays poorly (especially perhaps relative to the hype) and adjust their opinion. Realistically, teams and players (young players especially) will vary from game to game in performance.

We shouldn't be bothering to talk about Wikstrand relative to an NHL draft. He's been drafted. The draft for all players taken in 2012 is irrelevant (outside of money for contracts) ; it is what lays ahead that is important. Wikstrand seems to be a very promising player who could one day become a solid NHL player, or more. No need to bring pointless discussions of the NHL draft back ; it's done and dusted.
Thank you. Talking about draft position at this point is just stupid, and doing it just to be able to possibly say "I told you so" is even more stupid.

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And, as usual, by page 3 of an HF thread the discussion becomes about the discussion rather than the actual topic at hand.

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12-26-2012, 06:29 PM
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Thank you. Talking about draft position at this point is just stupid, and doing it just to be able to possibly say "I told you so" is even more stupid.
No it isn't, you're making it even more fun to potentially tell you I told ya so. Don't forget this's the Internet, man. Serious business.

There is absolutely nothing wrong to say so far he has played as though you would expect a 1st rounder to play. Grrrr, get angry Expert....

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Wikstrand bolted on the Senators to rejoin Farjestad. Murray's response was quite interesting:


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McGuire saying Sens likely havent soured on Wikstrand, I'm not so sure

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/...trand-1.366376

starts at around 3mins

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Why did he bail? Was he that bad in camp?

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Why did he bail? Was he that bad in camp?
Personal reasons apparently.

He likely would have seen at least a game in the N this year.

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Sucks that he bolted, but it is what it is.

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If he comes back, all will be forgiven rather quickly.

If he doesn't, uh oh.

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Apparently he tweeted that he left because has a very ill family member

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Apparently he tweeted that he left because has a very ill family member
I don't know the details but I feel like that's something you probably want to inform your general manager of. When I'm going to be 10 minutes late I call my boss, let alone flying to the other side of the world. Seems fishy to me.

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I don't know the details but I feel like that's something you probably want to inform your general manager of. When I'm going to be 10 minutes late I call my boss, let alone flying to the other side of the world. Seems fishy to me.
Yep me too ,iam sure he no problem cashing that bonus cheque we gave him though .I can see why BM is a little ticked

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I don't know the details but I feel like that's something you probably want to inform your general manager of. When I'm going to be 10 minutes late I call my boss, let alone flying to the other side of the world. Seems fishy to me.
I agree that something is fishy about this whole situation.

One day he says that if he doesn't make the Sens, he will bolt to Sweden. A couple of days later during training camp, he tells Murray that he is not ready and wants to play in Sweden. Now he just bolts to Sweden and says it was because of a sick family member.

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He left because a family member is seriously ill. Looks he left without telling Murray about it though.

Ah I see this has already been posted.

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