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12-25-2012, 07:09 PM
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I'd do that as a Flyers fan but frankly I'd expect more if I were Nashville. Losing Couturier really sucks, but if anything it clears the abundance of centers for the Flyers. with Laughton and Cosuins in the system they could eventually bump Schenn up to play on Giroux's wing. I'd imagine the lineups would look something like

Hartenll - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Briere
Fedotenko - Talbot - Read
Wellwood - Sestito - Rinaldo

Forwards get weaker obviously, but still a good lineup

As for the defense

Coburn - Weber
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Gus/Bourdon/Manning

That is a great defense, especially if Schenn comes into his own (which seems likely if Weber is there since he doesn't have to be the #1 guy).
I don't want to piss on your parade but Schenn was struggling when he was the #6/7 guy. So you know, good luck with that

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12-25-2012, 08:31 PM
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I'd do that as a Flyers fan but frankly I'd expect more if I were Nashville. Losing Couturier really sucks, but if anything it clears the abundance of centers for the Flyers. with Laughton and Cosuins in the system they could eventually bump Schenn up to play on Giroux's wing. I'd imagine the lineups would look something like

Hartenll - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Briere
Fedotenko - Talbot - Read
Wellwood - Sestito - Rinaldo

Forwards get weaker obviously, but still a good lineup

As for the defense

Coburn - Weber
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Gus/Bourdon/Manning

That is a great defense, especially if Schenn comes into his own (which seems likely if Weber is there since he doesn't have to be the #1 guy).
Your line up looks terrible on paper.

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12-25-2012, 09:09 PM
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Your line up looks terrible on paper.
How so? The first two lines are more than capable of scoring, the third line has good balance between checking and scoring. The 4th line is admittedly weak, but I've seen worse.

Coburn/Weber is a great #1 pairing. The 2nd line is gambling on Schenn improving a good amount, but I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility at all. The 3rd defensive line is fine. Grossamnn was great down the stretch (he was playing with Coburn, so if he struggles anchoring his own line you could have those two as the second line, bump Timonen up to play with Weber and shelter Schenn some more on the 3rd line).

I honestly don't see what's bad about that lineup.

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12-25-2012, 09:44 PM
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Giroux. He's an elite player, if we were trading him, that's the only player of value to us. Don't tell me how that's never going to happen, and it's not fair because it's just the truth.

You want Weber, we will want Giroux, Perry, Karlsson, Tavares, etc.

If you aren't offering a game changer, or potential game changer it isn't a fair offer.

If you want to offer a young package deal prepare to overpay to the point it isn't worth it. Think BOTH Couturier AND Schenn and atleast one top 4 defender and 1st rounders.

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12-25-2012, 10:20 PM
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Wow. Personally if Weber does want out of Nashville, Predators should take that.

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12-25-2012, 10:34 PM
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Wow. Personally if Weber does want out of Nashville, Predators should take that.
If he wants out, 29 teams will be ready, and Nashville can take the best one.

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12-26-2012, 09:36 AM
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Only a couple of people have mentioned in in this thread, but one thing to consider is that the way the Weber contract is structured, we're paying most of the money up front. We're essentially going to get the best defenseman in the game on the cheap for the next decade. That's something to take into account - especially considering the Preds probably won't have a top 5 payroll.

His contract alone adds value far beyond just the player itself.

I don't see the Preds trading him unless he marches into David Poile's office and states that he will never play another game for the Preds. And in that case, with no trade clause and a friendly contract, you'll see a bidding war the likes of which the NHL has never seen.

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12-26-2012, 11:40 AM
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I'd be shocked if Nashville trades with Philly once over the next decade.

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12-26-2012, 01:28 PM
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Only a couple of people have mentioned in in this thread, but one thing to consider is that the way the Weber contract is structured, we're paying most of the money up front. We're essentially going to get the best defenseman in the game on the cheap for the next decade. That's something to take into account - especially considering the Preds probably won't have a top 5 payroll.

His contract alone adds value far beyond just the player itself.

I don't see the Preds trading him unless he marches into David Poile's office and states that he will never play another game for the Preds. And in that case, with no trade clause and a friendly contract, you'll see a bidding war the likes of which the NHL has never seen.
To clarify here, he has no NTC. Weber can be traded to any of the 29 teams. RaiderDoug had it right, just weird wording.

We just gave Weber a 13mil signing bonus to not do anything. And Poile will be damned if he trades him after wasting all that money.

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12-26-2012, 01:34 PM
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To clarify here, he has no NTC. Weber can be traded to any of the 29 teams. RaiderDoug had it right, just weird wording.

We just gave Weber a 13mil signing bonus to not do anything. And Poile will be damned if he trades him after wasting all that money.


Poile refusing to bend on the NTC issue was huge imo. It gives the Preds so much flexibility in the future, if at any point Weber wants out or the Preds want to move him.

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12-26-2012, 03:33 PM
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Poile refusing to bend on the NTC issue was huge imo. It gives the Preds so much flexibility in the future, if at any point Weber wants out or the Preds want to move him.
Wasn't that Philadelphia's idea to make the contract that way?

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12-26-2012, 03:35 PM
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Wasn't that Philadelphia's idea to make the contract that way?
No. The offer sheet included a NTC, so he'd have one if he was a Flyer. When a OS is matched, however, only the "primary aspects" have to be met, meaning years, money per year, and total money. Clauses, such as NTCs, do not have to be included. Weber had a fit when Poile wouldn't add one, but he had no choice but to accept the match.

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12-26-2012, 03:56 PM
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No. The offer sheet included a NTC, so he'd have one if he was a Flyer. When a OS is matched, however, only the "primary aspects" have to be met, meaning years, money per year, and total money. Clauses, such as NTCs, do not have to be included. Weber had a fit when Poile wouldn't add one, but he had no choice but to accept the match.
I learn something new in the oddest of places, in this case the trade thread. Awesome news for Nashville on that front, even if the cap hit/salary are higher then it could have been.

As for the proposal, as it stands now, a few, if not all 29 other teams would find a way to match it, it's Shea F. Weber.

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12-26-2012, 06:05 PM
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No. The offer sheet included a NTC, so he'd have one if he was a Flyer. When a OS is matched, however, only the "primary aspects" have to be met, meaning years, money per year, and total money. Clauses, such as NTCs, do not have to be included. Weber had a fit when Poile wouldn't add one, but he had no choice but to accept the match.
Surprised me. I thought the contract had to be exactly the same.

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12-26-2012, 06:10 PM
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When did Shea Weber say he wanted out.

Typical mentality of "That's not a northeast or Canadian team, so all their star players must wanna leave."

If he does want out, the Preds deal with it then. In the meantime, if Giroux's not coming back, don't even call.

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12-26-2012, 07:28 PM
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Surprised me. I thought the contract had to be exactly the same.
Surprised me at the time too. This was a huge discussion topic on our team boards, so trust me, not NTC for weber. And we're very happy about that

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Colin Wilson, kevin klein and 2014 first round pick for Giroux?
no?
didnt think so

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Colin Wilson, kevin klein and 2014 first round pick for Giroux?
no?
didnt think so
Couturier > Wilson
Meszaros > Klein
Giroux > Weber

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Couturier > Wilson
Meszaros > Klein
Giroux > Weber
Agreed. Not the same.

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12-28-2012, 10:35 AM
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No need to trade for Weber. Once all the existing contracts become null and void, Weber will just sign with Philly

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Couturier > Wilson
Meszaros > Klein
Giroux > Weber
without getting into the whos better game i mean it to show that if reversed phi wouldn't ever do the same concept deal

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I learn something new in the oddest of places, in this case the trade thread. Awesome news for Nashville on that front, even if the cap hit/salary are higher then it could have been.

As for the proposal, as it stands now, a few, if not all 29 other teams would find a way to match it, it's Shea F. Weber.
I agree plenty of teams would jump into the mix. Especially with so much of the bonus money already paid.

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