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12-26-2012, 08:04 AM
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You give way too much credit to Bettman for fighting the trap and increaseing revenues.

1. There was no trap when Bettman took over. A threat to the game was born during his watch and it took him 10 years to do something about it. Black days for the game of hockey. He should get credit for that? Teams didn't forecheck nor try to attack.

2. Compared to every compareable business, from 1995 to 20012 the NHL does not have remarkable growth.

The NHL had been expanding for years before Bettman took over and he just kept that path.

Bettman became the comissioner in 93' and Tampa joined the league in 91' and Ottawa and Tampa in 92' and Florida and Anaheim in 93'. That was not Bettmans work. Bettman is mostly responsible for the problematic org's put in odd places like Atlanta and Phx instead of hockey hotbeds.

Bettman is the Ulanov of Commissioners. Its hard to argue that he isn't a very mediocre commissioner.

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During the Bettman era, the league has grown from a $400 million industry, to a $3.3 billion industry. Before he took over, the league was a mess in terms of visibility, financially (is it better now? maybe not, lol), politically, and marketing/licensing-wise. It's hard to argue that those revenue numbers don't indicate that he and the owners haven't done SOMETHING right. And I could be wrong, but I believe the players are making much much more money now relative to their peers in other sports than they were back in '92 or so. Yes, he's presided over multiple work stoppages. That goes with the territory of expiring CBA's and trying to implement changes.

He and the owners have tried to implement some changes, some have worked, some haven't. Big deal. Is that worse that remaining stagnant? For a sport like hockey that isn't a household name, you NEED to try to change things if you want to grow the brand. Has any sport done everything perfectly correctly? Nope. Is he himself perfect? Heck no. Who is?

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It's like the Vancouver board, all bluster from guys that never played the game.

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The NHL had been expanding for years before Bettman took over and he just kept that path.

Bettman became the comissioner in 93' and Tampa joined the league in 91' and Ottawa and Tampa in 92' and Florida and Anaheim in 93'. That was not Bettmans work. Bettman is mostly responsible for the problematic org's put in odd places like Atlanta and Phx instead of hockey hotbeds.
Well, you have to give Bettman credit for Nashville and Minnesota, Columbus would be a good hockey city too if it ever gets a good management team.

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During the Bettman era, the league has grown from a $400 million industry, to a $3.3 billion industry. Before he took over, the league was a mess in terms of visibility, financially (is it better now? maybe not, lol), politically, and marketing/licensing-wise. It's hard to argue that those revenue numbers don't indicate that he and the owners haven't done SOMETHING right. And I could be wrong, but I believe the players are making much much more money now relative to their peers in other sports than they were back in '92 or so. Yes, he's presided over multiple work stoppages. That goes with the territory of expiring CBA's and trying to implement changes.

He and the owners have tried to implement some changes, some have worked, some haven't. Big deal. Is that worse that remaining stagnant? For a sport like hockey that isn't a household name, you NEED to try to change things if you want to grow the brand. Has any sport done everything perfectly correctly? Nope. Is he himself perfect? Heck no. Who is?
Yeah, but how much has the NFL and the NBA grown since 92'?

The league also went from 22 to 30 teams.

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During the Bettman era, the league has grown from a $400 million industry, to a $3.3 billion industry. Before he took over, the league was a mess in terms of visibility, financially (is it better now? maybe not, lol), politically, and marketing/licensing-wise. It's hard to argue that those revenue numbers don't indicate that he and the owners haven't done SOMETHING right. And I could be wrong, but I believe the players are making much much more money now relative to their peers in other sports than they were back in '92 or so. Yes, he's presided over multiple work stoppages. That goes with the territory of expiring CBA's and trying to implement changes.

He and the owners have tried to implement some changes, some have worked, some haven't. Big deal. Is that worse that remaining stagnant? For a sport like hockey that isn't a household name, you NEED to try to change things if you want to grow the brand. Has any sport done everything perfectly correctly? Nope. Is he himself perfect? Heck no. Who is?
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Yeah, but how much has the NFL and the NBA grown since 92'?

The league also went from 22 to 30 teams.
Ok...so the league expanded the number of teams by 36%, from 22 teams to 30 teams. League revenues increased from 400M to 3.3B. 825% increase. Also, comparing the NHL's growth to the NFL or the NBA's simply doesn't make sense. They're not comparable. The NHL isn't on the same level. The game of hockey itself simply isn't as accessible as the other two sports...and people generally follow sports they themselves played in some capacity while growing up. Also...when the league expanded by 8 teams, it created HUNDREDS of jobs for players, and god knows how many more for other people related to the game. But, let's not concern ourselves with that. We wouldn't want the players to consider the fact that many of them only have jobs in this league to begin with because of expansion. The league should suggest to the players that we roll back the clock back to when there were 22 teams and the top salaries in the league were about where the league average is now.

All the Bettman hate is beyond ridiculous. The man works at the bidding of 30 employers. He serves their interest. They tell them their issues and where they'd like to go, and he gets them there. When the find out where they set out to go isn't what they had in mind, they change courses. The owners have kept Gary around for a long time. He's helped the league grow exponentially in his years. They wouldn't have re-upped his contract if they thought he was doing a **** job. Meanwhile, the players have turned over THEIR leadership HOW many times during Bettman's tenure? Yeah. NHL hockey IS going to be played again, and I guarantee that whatever the final CBA looks like...even if the league gives a bit back from where they stand now...the players are going to scream ****. And 7-10 years from now...when every player is making more money than anyone before them, they're still going to cry like little girls with skinned knees.


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It's like the Vancouver board, all bluster from guys that never played the game.
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Ok...so the league expanded the number of teams by 36%, from 22 teams to 30 teams. League revenues increased from 400M to 3.3B. 825% increase. Also, comparing the NHL's growth to the NFL or the NBA's simply doesn't make sense. They're not comparable. The NHL isn't on the same level. The game of hockey itself simply isn't as accessible as the other two sports...and people generally follow sports they themselves played in some capacity while growing up. Also...when the league expanded by 8 teams, it created HUNDREDS of jobs for players, and god knows how many more for other people related to the game. But, let's not concern ourselves with that. We wouldn't want the players to consider the fact that many of them only have jobs in this league to begin with because of expansion. The league should suggest to the players that we roll back the clock back to when there were 22 teams and the top salaries in the league were about where the league average is now.

All the Bettman hate is beyond ridiculous. The man works at the bidding of 30 employers. He serves their interest. They tell them their issues and where they'd like to go, and he gets them there. When the find out where they set out to go isn't what they had in mind, they change courses. The owners have kept Gary around for a long time. He's helped the league grow exponentially in his years. They wouldn't have re-upped his contract if they thought he was doing a **** job. Meanwhile, the players have turned over THEIR leadership HOW many times during Bettman's tenure? Yeah. NHL hockey IS going to be played again, and I guarantee that whatever the final CBA looks like...even if the league gives a bit back from where they stand now...the players are going to scream ****. And 7-10 years from now...when every player is making more money than anyone before them, they're still going to cry like little girls with skinned knees.
The growth of the NBA and NFL in terms of PERCENTAGE is of course still relevant. Tv-money and pro sports has grown tremendously the last 20 years.

A business growing 800% over 20 years don't say anything by itself to be honest. For a company producing typewriters it would be amazing and for a company that runs a poker site on the web it's nothing. For the NHL it's de facto pretty "meh". Without a TV deal the higher revenues has not resulted in profits, but instead alot of costs. I mean that's fact.

On top of that, Bettman has cancelled mor games then all the other commissioners in the history of pro sports combined, even when you take into account games lost to pandemics and world wars. And you complain on die hard hockey fans for not liking him?

Nobody making a profit. Clubs going bankrupt left and right. Seasons constantly cancelled due to GB fighting for pennies and trying to settle scores (he himself has totally destroyed his relationship with the players). GMs all over the place working against the league they are apart of's agenda.

He is Igor Ulanov.

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Yeah, but how much has the NFL and the NBA grown since 92'?

The league also went from 22 to 30 teams.
Probably much more so than NHL hockey in terms of $. But we're now comparing US-based sports that every kid in America has grown up playing, to a Canadian-based sport that very few kids (relatively speaking) grew up playing. It's apples vs oranges comparisons, yet NHL players make comparable salaries to players in those sports.

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