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12-27-2012, 12:03 PM
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Omark adds no value to the package, in my opinion. If we're adding him strictly as a contract dump, I'm not opposed to taking him, but I don't think I'd be ok with our GM offering more with his inclusion.

Schultz and MPS I'll take a flyer on. MPS isn't worth as much to me as to Oiler fans, I'd easily do a second round pick and a contract however.

Schultz, being I cheer for a "win now" team, hold more value to me. 3.5 for a top four-ish steady defender, not a bad deal.

I'd probably give up a 1st and 3rd (as an even standard all teams could relate to their own needs), but I really can't justify more then that for Schultz and MPS at this stage, I think both are better off being kept.

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Asking the value of Nick Schultz, PRV and Omark package is like walking into a butcher, throwing down a toonie, a loonie and belly button lint and asking what is available.

Yes.. Schultz = toonie, PRV= Loonie and Omark= belly button lint.

2 have value for sure and can get something, not sure what maybe a mid to late 2nd for MPS and a 2nd or 3rd for Schultz (or other roster player of simular value)... Omark you're better off trading for another teams castoff/bust prospect and hope for best.

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12-27-2012, 12:55 PM
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Not a good idea to have 2 rookie D in the same year and Marincin and Musil are still a couple of years off. Keep N.Schultz around till the TDL to supply that veteran leadership, then trade him. You'll get a better bang for your buck at the TDL for N.Schultz. Dreaming to believe that Whitney is resign and I would rather have N.Schultz on my team then Whitney.

Outside Whitney and Smid there's not much experience with your proposed D, not that bright of a idea. You need some veteran leadership to school these kids along, at least for another year or 2.

Your line of thinking would only result in the Oilers finishing as another lottery pick team, or ruining some great prospect D.
J.Schultz and Klefbom will be cracking next seasons lineup.

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12-27-2012, 04:14 PM
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Asking the value of Nick Schultz, PRV and Omark package is like walking into a butcher, throwing down a toonie, a loonie and belly button lint and asking what is available.

Yes.. Schultz = toonie, PRV= Loonie and Omark= belly button lint.

2 have value for sure and can get something, not sure what maybe a mid to late 2nd for MPS and a 2nd or 3rd for Schultz (or other roster player of simular value)... Omark you're better off trading for another teams castoff/bust prospect and hope for best.
Similar mind set, but being that Schultz and MPS would fill holes in my teams roster, and that my picks would be lower then most. Schultz is a lefty, but can he play right? I think as both depth and as a number 4 defender playing on our bottom pairing with Tanev (as a shut down line) or Ballard (more balance) would make our top six scary. MPS on a third line with Hansen adds size and a little skill to that line up, possibly with Higgins centering.

I reiterate a 1st and 3rd, just because our existing youth won't cut it, and if a roster player or lower side prospect is needed, super.

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12-27-2012, 04:20 PM
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J.Schultz and Klefbom will be cracking next seasons lineup.
So what? That's still no reason to trade Schultz. Not only is he one of only two proven top 4 defensemen the Oilers have, he's also the ideal partner and mentor for J.Schultz. Klefbom has just lost an entire season of development and is no lock to make the Oilers next year. But even if he does, there's a spot for him even with N.Schultz in the lineup.

Smid - Petry
N.Schultz - J.Schultz
Klefbom - Peckham
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Trading Paajarvi seems possible, but moving Schultz would be, simply put, stupid.

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12-27-2012, 08:09 PM
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Detroit would have to add some value. Nyqvist may be a good prospect but he's like 23. The structure itself is pretty good, but I think if Detroit adds a first, the value is pretty close. Not sure if Kindl is appealing to EDM though.
Nyquist would take a spot on Edmontons top 6 right away. MPS has ways to go and Omark will probably never be a NHL player. Schultz is... meh, very replaceable in free agency.
Detroit say hell no.

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Nyquist would take a spot on Edmontons top 6 right away. MPS has ways to go and Omark will probably never be a NHL player. Schultz is... meh, very replaceable in free agency.
Detroit say hell no.
Hall - RNH - Eberle
Hemsky - Gagner - Yakupov

I don't see who Nyquist would beat out.

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ITT: OP offering up Edmonton's spare parts and expecting offers of legit players/picks/prospects in return. These types of threads never end well.

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First of all, a team in Edmonton's shoes with a poor defence isn't going to trade one of the only capable NHL defensemen they have.

Second of all, Edmonton is not going to trade Paajarvi when his value is at an all-time low. We believe he still has potential, and don't care if you do or not. People saying they will trade a 2nd for him? Ya, no thanks, we will take our chances with him.

Third of all, Omark has zero value, and it has already been said that the Oilers tried to trade him at last draft and no one wants him. If that changes, he will find himself in a different organization.

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12-28-2012, 12:26 PM
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how about Kristo and Weber for Paajarvi
or maybe Leblanc and Weber

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how about Kristo and Weber for Paajarvi
or maybe Leblanc and Weber
Leblanc and Weber anyone!??

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Leblanc is the same age, and far less proven than Paajarvi. Weber is fine, but I don't really see what he brings to the Oilers TBH (or Leblanc for that matter).

It seems like you want to see the Oilers make a trade just for the sake of making a trade because that doesn't improve the Oilers in any way.

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12-28-2012, 07:24 PM
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most of Habs future prospects play the right side (Collberg, Gallagher, Kristo)
we'll eventually need help on the left
I could see Paajarvi pairing up well with Eller
actually a Paajarvi / Eller / Leblanc 3rd line would be awesome in the future

so changing my proposal to Kristo / Weber and a 4th)

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most of Habs future prospects play the right side (Collberg, Gallagher, Kristo)
we'll eventually need help on the left
I could see Paajarvi pairing up well with Eller
actually a Paajarvi / Eller / Leblanc 3rd line would be awesome in the future

so changing my proposal to Kristo / Weber and a 4th)
The problem with the Oilers, like the Habs, is that they need the size Paajarvi supplies in the lineup. In the top 6 or bottom 6 it doesn't matter they need the size and players like Kristo do not fit.

Good chance Weber doesn't crack the lineup for the Oilers either, even as a 7th D. The Oilers need the grit the Oilers back end supplies and Weber doesn't fit that bill.

Your offering scraps for a good prospect and unless its a vast over payment or something the Oilers desperately need, MPS will not be going anywhere.

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I could see the Oilers trading Paajarvi, and I don't think it would take a major overpay for them to move him, but I do think he's being a little undervalued on HF (not just in this thread, but in general). I think they'd move him if they can fill a hole or add to an area of need. The problem is, a collection of lesser prospects is absolutely NOT something they need. Yannick Weber and Danny Kristo neither fill holes or add something the Oilers don't already have an abundance of. Ditto for Leblanc, Nyquist, Dumoulin, etc.

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Nyquist would take a spot on Edmontons top 6 right away. MPS has ways to go and Omark will probably never be a NHL player. Schultz is... meh, very replaceable in free agency.
Detroit say hell no.
Nyquist couldnt crack the top 9 on the Oilers as a left winger. Unless you are saying he is better then Ryan Smyth?

Wings can keep Hudler 2.0. Oilers have more pressing needs.

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I could see the Oilers trading Paajarvi, and I don't think it would take a major overpay for them to move him, but I do think he's being a little undervalued on HF (not just in this thread, but in general). I think they'd move him if they can fill a hole or add to an area of need. The problem is, a collection of lesser prospects is absolutely NOT something they need. Yannick Weber and Danny Kristo neither fill holes or add something the Oilers don't already have an abundance of. Ditto for Leblanc, Nyquist, Dumoulin, etc.
I'm not too sure about this, the Oilers will most likely loss Jones next year and Smyth is on his last legs. The Oilers right now don't have much that is ready to replace them. The Oilers also have the trade bait of Hemsky and Gagner, + a couple others to use to get what they need.

After listening to Tambo and how high the Oilers are on Paajarvi and seeing the improvement of his physical game this season, I would have to disagree. I'll ask you one question, has Paajarvi ever played with a decent C for a period of time. The answer would be NO, give him a good C, his offensive output could improve.

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The problem with the Oilers, like the Habs, is that they need the size Paajarvi supplies in the lineup. In the top 6 or bottom 6 it doesn't matter they need the size and players like Kristo do not fit.

Good chance Weber doesn't crack the lineup for the Oilers either, even as a 7th D. The Oilers need the grit the Oilers back end supplies and Weber doesn't fit that bill.

Your offering scraps for a good prospect and unless its a vast over payment or something the Oilers desperately need, MPS will not be going anywhere.

I see it as a lateral move, not involving scraps, but rather prospects with potential or NHL experience
Leblanc is a first round pick 18th, with 10 points in 40 games last NHL season with very limited play ( Paajarvi (10th) had 8 in same amount of games)
Weber is a bottom pairing D and PP specialist 18 points in 60 games with limited play last NHL season
Kristo is a promising prospect, and I added a 4th

I think a change would do MPS some good and Oilers get similar in return plus a Dman and a 4th round

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I see it as a lateral move, not involving scraps, but rather prospects with potential or NHL experience
Leblanc is a first round pick 18th, with 10 points in 40 games last NHL season with very limited play ( Paajarvi (10th) had 8 in same amount of games)
Weber is a bottom pairing D and PP specialist 18 points in 60 games with limited play last NHL season
Kristo is a promising prospect, and I added a 4th

I think a change would do MPS some good and Oilers get similar in return plus a Dman and a 4th round
The Oilers have no interest in Weber, the 4th is irrelevant, and Kristo is nothing new for us. It's a bunch of scraps, and one not as good prospect. The Oilers need more quality

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Nyquist couldnt crack the top 9 on the Oilers as a left winger. Unless you are saying he is better then Ryan Smyth?

Wings can keep Hudler 2.0. Oilers have more pressing needs.

I agree with you that he couldn't crack the top 6 in EDM but if you honestly think Nyquist is Hudler 2.0 you have clearly never seen either Hudler or Nyquist play.

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I agree with you that he couldn't crack the top 6 in EDM but if you honestly think Nyquist is Hudler 2.0 you have clearly never seen either Hudler or Nyquist play.
I would take most oilers fans opinions with a grain of salt... Nyquist is a talented guy, saw him play a lot as a junior, then he bailed to the america...

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I would take most oilers fans opinions with a grain of salt... Nyquist is a talented guy, saw him play a lot as a junior, then he bailed to the america...
So? Paajarvi was one of the youngest players ever to enter the SEL and the youngest to play for them in the WJC.

He has tons of potential, he just does not have a spot in our top 6.

Nyquist is older than Eberle and can't even crack Detroit's top 6.

As an Avalanche fan, your opinions are not even relevant to this thread...

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So? Paajarvi was one of the youngest players ever to enter the SEL and the youngest to play for them in the WJC.

He has tons of potential, he just does not have a spot in our top 6.

Nyquist is older than Eberle and can't even crack Detroit's top 6.

As an Avalanche fan, your opinions are not even relevant to this thread...
No. It's him being the world's biggest Omark homer/Paajarvi hater that makes him irrelevant

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Not a good idea to have 2 rookie D in the same year and Marincin and Musil are still a couple of years off. Keep N.Schultz around till the TDL to supply that veteran leadership, then trade him. You'll get a better bang for your buck at the TDL for N.Schultz. Dreaming to believe that Whitney is resign and I would rather have N.Schultz on my team then Whitney.

Outside Whitney and Smid there's not much experience with your proposed D, not that bright of a idea. You need some veteran leadership to school these kids along, at least for another year or 2.

Your line of thinking would only result in the Oilers finishing as another lottery pick team, or ruining some great prospect D.


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also would people learn hockey and realize we have 2 Schultz's and OP said specifically Nick Schultz. The guy who has been a good defensive Dman stuck in Minnesotas trap system and well respected and regarded by all knowledgable NHL followers. Also, some one mentioned Nick had a tough time adjusting to the Edmonton game? He wasnt on the ice for a goal against even strength in his first 4 games as an oiler...while playing 23 minutes a night on the second worst club, in front of Dubnyk who --if you believe the narrow knowledge casuals prevelant on this board-- is a seive.
He also did very well opening up his game to launch passes to streaking forwards in transition...hmmm just like he did in junior before the NHL Lemaire BS put his cork on any creativity.

Solid defensively and has good reads... will be a key piece to the future. Gave up a more offensively talented and more highly touted (top pair possible) player in Gilbert (premium RH shot to boot) to get the steadiness and reliability a young team needs. Contracts and everything else were identical. This team does not want the high end forwards being stifled wasting their energy trying to shut down plays and wasting their talents with nauseating boards plays to get pucks out. plays should be stopped and moved up with N Schultz like execution.Gilbert was moved for N Schultz because ending a play and all that necessary work the forwards would have to do defensively is more important than a couple extra goals from one defenseman who was being matched by Petry anyways. If Hall and Ebs and RNH, Yakupov, Hemsky and others spend less time chasing pucks and trying to help the D do their own jobs...than they will get 20 or so more goals out of the forwards and less injuries. UNAVAILABLE.

As far as Magnus, i dont see the oilers moving him. Its kind of like Outsiders and the casuals talking badly about Mika Zibanejad from OTT when really he is exactly what all the experts knew he was going to be and shown to be-- defensive and physical 3rd line forward with ability to pivot or power winger ...upside to 2nd line if his late showing of offensive ability can be developed further and adjust to the new culture and ice surface and coaching strategies.


Also people really have to start evaluating posters comments. there are a few people in here who bash players in a manner that doesnt really jive with intelligent logic. Remember their quotes, copy paste, and then evaluate if they deserve being ignored. just a suggestion to make experiences better on the board.


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