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12-21-2012, 06:07 PM
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As terrible as it would be, we would still have the first pick in round 2. And this is a reportedly deep draft.

Unless they do a snake draft like 05. Then yes it is bridge jumping time.

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12-21-2012, 06:46 PM
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We have a bunch of 3rd rounders and can easily move up if there's someone on Gordie's radar.

You have 1st round picks, and you have 1st round picks. If you're not drafting in the top-3/5, odds of hitting a high-end player is pretty slim. So complain about not having a 1st rounder if you'd like. Truth is it's not going to break us.

I agree with your second paragraph, but it's not true to say that we can use our thirds to get a first.

A pick around #15-20 has a 50% chance of making the NHL. A third rounder has a 10% chance. We have 3 thirds, so all our thirds have a worse chance of making the NHL than a first round pick. And that's not counting the fact that a first is more likely to become a star than a third. We would need to give up 6 third rounders to get a #15-20 pick.

Now, if we are talking about a very late first rounder, in the #28-30 range, then the odds of that pick to make the NHL is about 33%. We could potentially acquire that pick for our 3 thirds plus another couple of pick in the midrounds, but anyone who thinks that this pick would be a savior for us simply has no idea what he's talking about. I also don't see how reducing our whole prospect pool to one prospect who'll statistically probably fail to make the NHL makes sense. So we get rid of 5 draft picks and get one guy? What what happens if he gets injured or lazy or plateaus? And who'll play in Hartford in a couple of years?

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12-21-2012, 06:49 PM
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As terrible as it would be, we would still have the first pick in round 2. And this is a reportedly deep draft.

Unless they do a snake draft like 05. Then yes it is bridge jumping time.

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What we do care about what Columbus will get? The only way I mind them winning is if it's a snake draft and I don't want to get a #60. Otherwise, I want them to win. I want the #1 pick to go to the Western Conference. Once again... Islanders? Devils? Philly? Pens? Boston? Or Columbus?

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12-21-2012, 09:09 PM
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Very strong performance by Talbot tonight.

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Delisle had 2 assist tonight.. how did he play tonight?

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12-21-2012, 10:27 PM
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What we do care about what Columbus will get? The only way I mind them winning is if it's a snake draft and I don't want to get a #60. Otherwise, I want them to win. I want the #1 pick to go to the Western Conference. Once again... Islanders? Devils? Philly? Pens? Boston? Or Columbus?
I agree, that's why I was saying it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't a snake draft.

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Man Kreider's stats on the Whale suck. I'm a bit concerned

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Man Kreider's stats on the Whale suck. I'm a bit concerned
Don't be.

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I have to say: Shayne Wiebe has no points yet. Has a minus 3 in six games. But in the one game I saw him play he's always around the puck. Has gotten plenty of chances. Led the team with 5 shots on goal tonight. I would love to see him break through with a little scoring streak.

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12-21-2012, 11:36 PM
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I agree, that's why I was saying it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't a snake draft.

Instead of a snake draft, they should do all rounds the reverse of the first one. That's because the first round is so much more valuable than all the other rounds combined. If you are drafting first overall, then you go last in rounds 2-7.

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12-22-2012, 09:49 AM
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Man Kreider's stats on the Whale suck. I'm a bit concerned
No worries. Kreider is probably going through the motions in the AHL. Once he is back in the NHL he will be playing with NHL stars which should take his game back to where it was last year in the playoffs

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12-22-2012, 04:04 PM
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Yeah true, there has to be a huge letdown being in the AHL after pretty much making the team.

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No worries. Kreider is probably going through the motions in the AHL. Once he is back in the NHL he will be playing with NHL stars which should take his game back to where it was last year in the playoffs
Do you really think the coaching staff of the Whale and Rangers would be unaware of Keider just "going through the motions"? Do you really think there would not be a price to be paid for not giving it all on the ice in this organization? That's not the type of team Tortorella has built and he's shown time and again that he won't tolerate that kind of (lack of) effort.

Keider is not capable of carrying a team at this point of his career. Nothing more, nothing less. He's learning the game and maybe for the first time in his life it's not easy. Again, nothing more, nothing less. But, if he's dogging it, he's not going to be in the NHL, any time soon, even if they settle tomorrow.

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12-22-2012, 06:08 PM
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Do you really think the coaching staff of the Whale and Rangers would be unaware of Keider just "going through the motions"? Do you really think there would not be a price to be paid for not giving it all on the ice in this organization? That's not the type of team Tortorella has built and he's shown time and again that he won't tolerate that kind of (lack of) effort.

Keider is not capable of carrying a team at this point of his career. Nothing more, nothing less. He's learning the game and maybe for the first time in his life it's not easy. Again, nothing more, nothing less. But, if he's dogging it, he's not going to be in the NHL, any time soon, even if they settle tomorrow.

Exactly!

Kreider doesn't know how lucky he is that there's a lockout. He'd still be in the minors right now, but without the excuse of the lockout and with him feeling depressed about it.

He gets to learn to play pro hockey at the minor league level while feeling good about himself as a real NHLer.

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12-22-2012, 08:15 PM
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Chad Kolarik scored Whale 1-1 tie Providence Bruins at the moment

Jamie Tardif scored the game tying goal for Providence

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Just gave up another goal. Down 2-1 with only a few minutes to go.

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12-22-2012, 09:23 PM
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Talbot Pimping of the Day Post

Talbot's SV% is .920. To show you how bad the team is defensively, the other two goalies who played average under .848 SV%. That's almost 3/4 full percentage higher.

The other two goalies have a combined GAA of 4.76. His is a very respectable 2.64 on a terrible team.

Talbot would've been an All-Star this year on a stronger team. He's the best goalie this team has had in a long time, definitely the last 5 years. You can't see it based on stats alone, but he's a good player, keeping the team in games with unglamorous, but effective play.

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Talbot's SV% is .920. To show you how bad the team is defensively, the other two goalies who played average under .848 SV%. That's almost 3/4 full percentage higher.

The other two goalies have a combined GAA of 4.76. His is a very respectable 2.64 on a terrible team.

Talbot would've been an All-Star this year on a stronger team. He's the best goalie this team has had in a long time, definitely the last 5 years. You can't see it based on stats alone, but he's a good player, keeping the team in games with unglamorous, but effective play.
Agreed. He still does give up the occasional "how on earth did that go in?" goal, but overall, he is keeping this - lets be realistic here - weak/bad team alive. Also keep in mind, the Whale and Talbot are essentially playing without a backup... Stajcer got killed in his two games, Missiaen wasn't much better, both are not ready for the AHL, and some guy named Bryan Hince (50 games in the SPHL, 15 in the ECHL in 5 season including this one) is the current backup. So far all his action on the Whale was helping clear teddy bears off the ice after the teddy bear toss last night, kicking them in a pile with his skates (is that a smart thing to do Bryan? lol).

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Wonder if Talbot could ever hold down an NHL backup spot?

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Wonder if Talbot could ever hold down an NHL backup spot?

Not yet, but his mistakes are fixable. The things that can't be taught (size, quickness) are good or at least acceptable, but he needs to work to adjust to real hockey. Let's keep in mind that he spent his life playing low-level hockey. He didn't go to Miami-Ohio, Minnie or Michigan. He went to Alabama and was surrounded by similar squads. The last two years, he was a backup in Hartford, so the team played with more urgency in front of him. He's shown huge progress in the last 2 years. And he's a goalie, they develop later, so he still has a couple of years more to keep improving.

By the time Biron's contract ends, Talbot may be a legitimate option.

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According to McIlrath's twitter sounds like he got the green light to play tonight. Finally. Saw the Bridgeport/Whale game last night. That defense is an abomination.

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According to McIlrath's twitter sounds like he got the green light to play tonight. Finally. Saw the Bridgeport/Whale game last night. That defense is an abomination.
Wish we could sit all these bums, starting with Vernace... Awful. Close second last night was Deslisle, brutal.

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Don't think Mac'll be the savior of the awful D but here's hoping he plays well and brings the pain.

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Don't think Mac'll be the savior of the awful D but here's hoping he plays well and brings the pain.
Only 1 way... Up. Hope McI plays a ton and continues his development, dropping a few guys in the process. He is the only prospect on D on a team that is supposed to develop. Eeek.

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Just saw that McIlrath is in the game. It will be a huge relief to the team. Last night Talbot suffered through 4 goals due to the team's inability to clear the crease. Hopefully McIlrath will help with that

McIlrath took his first pro penalty, running into a guy elbow first. That was a good penalty to intimidate the opposition. Then he came out of the box and got into his first pro fight. Surprisingly, he looked bad. Totally off balance and not good technically. He took and gave punches, but only because he's so physically huge. He looks enormous. But skill-wise, that was not a good fight.


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