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12-27-2012, 07:45 PM
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If there is no season, the draft order should be based on the teams' AHL teams

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12-27-2012, 08:07 PM
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12-27-2012, 09:18 PM
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These 2 games vs Bridgeport HAVE to be the WORST back to back games from one team I have ever seen... disgusting to the max.

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12-27-2012, 11:14 PM
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These 2 games vs Bridgeport HAVE to be the WORST back to back games from one team I have ever seen... disgusting to the max.
Analysis on McIlrath? Might be tough to gauge the kid in that kind of game though.

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12-27-2012, 11:52 PM
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Analysis on McIlrath? Might be tough to gauge the kid in that kind of game though.

Hit well, but was too cautious with his play. They gave him "hit of the game" for knocking out an opponent, but it was a penalty. I liked it, however, when he took this penalty. Didn't do a good job in the fight at all. One of his turnovers led to a goal. Clearly not NHL-ready. He's looked like a third pairing AHL defenseman in his first game.

Granted he's still adjusting and other players all started out looking worse than they really are because they are nervous and apprehensive. Let's see how he looking in the next few weeks.

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12-28-2012, 12:15 AM
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Hit well, but was too cautious with his play. They gave him "hit of the game" for knocking out an opponent, but it was a penalty. I liked it, however, when he took this penalty. Didn't do a good job in the fight at all. One of his turnovers led to a goal. Clearly not NHL-ready. He's looked like a third pairing AHL defenseman in his first game.

Granted he's still adjusting and other players all started out looking worse than they really are because they are nervous and apprehensive. Let's see how he looking in the next few weeks.
So he's the best defenseman on the team?

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12-28-2012, 08:24 AM
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So he's the best defenseman on the team?
Anyone who hops on board that roster stands a chance of being the best defensemen including forwards and medical staff.

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12-28-2012, 08:35 AM
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Hit well, but was too cautious with his play. They gave him "hit of the game" for knocking out an opponent, but it was a penalty. I liked it, however, when he took this penalty. Didn't do a good job in the fight at all. One of his turnovers led to a goal. Clearly not NHL-ready. He's looked like a third pairing AHL defenseman in his first game.

Granted he's still adjusting and other players all started out looking worse than they really are because they are nervous and apprehensive. Let's see how he looking in the next few weeks.
I wouldn't read too much into Dylan's first game in a long time. Most everyone else has played the entire season. He's got some catching up to do.

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12-28-2012, 08:49 AM
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McIlrath's fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFbVmUU3X90

His opponent Brett Gallant is a really tough guy. He's cut a pretty wide swath of victims the last couple seasons of AHL tough guys. He fights quite a lot and doesn't lose very often--actually I'm not sure he's lost any. Not that great of a player though. McIlrath pretty much kept it fairly even and just coming back from long term injury--he did pretty well.

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12-28-2012, 10:31 AM
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I thought McIlrath did very well in the fight and landed more shots than Gallant did except for the jersey jabs. Gallant landed most of his on McI's shoulder. I'd call it a good draw for both guys. Neither is a slouch and they both were throwing.

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12-28-2012, 10:34 AM
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No way is that a "loss" for Mac. He didn't annihilate the guy but he was throwing hammers and not getting stunned by a guy who was throwing them just as hard as he was.

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McIlrath's fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFbVmUU3X90

His opponent Brett Gallant is a really tough guy. He's cut a pretty wide swath of victims the last couple seasons of AHL tough guys. He fights quite a lot and doesn't lose very often--actually I'm not sure he's lost any. Not that great of a player though. McIlrath pretty much kept it fairly even and just coming back from long term injury--he did pretty well.
does Gallant have any NHL future with the Islanders or is a better version of Trevor Gillies... he seem to have horrible stats.... 0 ots in 28 games. Michael Haley has more pts than him and some think he wont play any games for the Rangers whenever the NHL lockout ends.

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12-28-2012, 11:09 AM
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How on earth can someone consider that a bad fight by McIlrath?

Just because the other guy has a tiny wingspan and is throwing machine guy punches that are doing nothing doesn't mean he's winning.

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12-28-2012, 11:14 AM
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Man, the Whale are a pretty terrible team

edit: or at least, are having a real tough season. Lots of new guys I guess and not enough depth in key areas

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No way is that a "loss" for Mac. He didn't annihilate the guy but he was throwing hammers and not getting stunned by a guy who was throwing them just as hard as he was.
I stand by what I wrote as the fight was happening.

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he looked bad. Totally off balance and not good technically. He took and gave punches, but only because he's so physically huge. He looks enormous. But skill-wise, that was not a good fight.
He was very much off balance. If he weren't so huge, he'd have gotten spanked. He needs to tighten up his fights or else it won't look pretty in some fights.

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He was very much off balance. If he weren't so huge, he'd have gotten spanked. He needs to tighten up his fights or else it won't look pretty in some fights.
The thing I don't get is that all of us know Dylan's been out rehabbing his knee since the middle of summer. First game back when practically every other AHL player has had a full training camp and played a third of the season--it's like you're expecting he's going to be right up to speed and he's a rookie to boot. Sometimes I think you need to tone your expectations. And Gallant is a really serious ****ing AHL fighter/goon. Maybe not the biggest guy but he hits really hard and he can really take a punch.. Definitely in the category of a Shawn Thornton or Cam Janssen in that regard. He demolished Haley. He's demolished a lot of guys.

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12-28-2012, 02:49 PM
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Yeah I agree with Dylan not losing the fight. A twenty year old rookie in his pro season debut taking on one of the toughest in the AHL more than handled his own. Both guys threw bombs, but none got the TKO that they were looking for.

Dylan was brought along slowly last night and played 3rd pair mins, but he did get in the minds of a lot of the Bridgeport players. I enjoyed the tone setting hits and the fight he delivered, I hope some of the guys down there rally around him

HFD has been plagued with career AHLers dogging it in for the whole season, so I expect a vastly different roster next year. Take a look at Newbs for example, and ask yourself why isn't this guy wearing the 'C'.

Newb's someone that plays hard, leads the team in scoring, first unit ice-time on the PP, PK, and at EV, drops the gloves, and is tough to play against... but why doesn't he have the 'C'? Well its because he takes selfish penalty after selfish penalty.

And that mindset, putting your own needs ahead of the guys next to you; has carried its self down the roster. Too many guys are just skating out their ice time and collecting their checks, I don't know if they're demoralized at not being able to have the chance to play in the NHL or what.

I hate that Tessier, the worst player on the team in my mind is earning some prime ice time, but he's earned with through his effort level, if HFD could get someone with more ability to step up, then this team would be worth cheering for.

Kolarik has stepped it up, but he's been spotty, Chad needs to take note with Miller away, and Kreider playing without a sense of purpose, that he has to be the go to guy, and HFD has won games when Kolarik has been the guy playing with a high motor and producing.

Speaking of Kreider, all the tools are there, but I think he needs some time to sort out the cobwebs within himself. He doesn't have that killer's edge that a lot of the snipers have. The more I see him, the more I think he ends up as a Eric Cole clone, inconsistency and all. If he was giving the same effort and producing the same results he has been for HFD so far, there is no way he would be playing top 6 mins under Torts.

I can't believe he hasn't realized that if he competes harder than the guys on the other side, shift in-shift out, that he just plays harder every shift, then he will break through on the score sheet more often.

He is athletically gifted enough that maybe a handful of defencemen in the world can keep up with him, but Chris needs to get that they must withstand whatever he dishes out to contain him, he isn't going to out smart or intimidate anyone into making things easy for him at the pro level. Its a #Grind Chris, its a ****** grind.


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So looking at Kreider's stats should I be disappointed? Seems like the whole team is ****. Maybe I can't judge him by his stats.

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The thing I don't get is that all of us know Dylan's been out rehabbing his knee since the middle of summer. First game back when practically every other AHL player has had a full training camp and played a third of the season--it's like you're expecting he's going to be right up to speed and he's a rookie to boot. Sometimes I think you need to tone your expectations. And Gallant is a really serious ****ing AHL fighter/goon. Maybe not the biggest guy but he hits really hard and he can really take a punch.. Definitely in the category of a Shawn Thornton or Cam Janssen in that regard. He demolished Haley. He's demolished a lot of guys.
I just watched the fight again. McIlrath looked fine, Gallant landed one flush jersey jab. Looked like all of his rights fell short. McI just missed with one big right that would have ended it.

A month from now McI will be doing some heavy damage across the league.

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So looking at Kreider's stats should I be disappointed? Seems like the whole team is ****. Maybe I can't judge him by his stats.
No and that's never a true assessment of what an athlete can do. Chris is a thoroughbred, and someone who I think will come onto his own under the organization's direction; what he is going through is simply a part of the process.

If you remember how Brian Boyle played his first year here, compared to where he is now, the difference is in how he helped the team win every shift he was out there. Whether it was through physical play, a blocked shot, or playing mistake free hockey, it took a while for Boyler to put it together and have it be automatic.

With Chris, you have a guy who is very powerful, and a physically gifted athlete that still needs to round out his game. It simply isn't about scoring, but it's about what you do to help the team win every second that you're out there, and all of those elements aren't automatic yet in Chris's play thus far.

But that's primarily because he's focusing in on it, thinking about the little details, rather than just instinctively reacting or initiating. Once that little something clicks within Chris, when he has that understanding and comfort level of what it takes to be a pro, and his confidence grows within himself, I think everyone will see all that hype come to fruition.

Dude is a better skater than McDonaugh, Hagelin, and Gaborik... Bigger too... I've got faith that he'll be just fine on the big club.

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Typical Ken G. team. They'll pick it up 2nd half.

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Here is a better quality video of the fight:


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Here is a better quality video of the fight:

If that had been McIlrath's 3rd game back and not his first period, he would have killed the other guy.

To be clear - I wanted Tarasenko and I still think it was a mistake not to draft him. But McIlrath is clearly a scary MF.

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He's a faster skater than Gaborik or McDonagh. I'm not sure he's a better skater.

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If that had been McIlrath's 3rd game back and not his first period, he would have killed the other guy.

To be clear - I wanted Tarasenko and I still think it was a mistake not to draft him. But McIlrath is clearly a scary MF.
I honestly think the Cherapanov experience soured them on drafting Russians. They've pretty much been going heavily north american ever since.

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