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12-28-2012, 11:14 AM
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Don't agree that Backman is a finesse player with no physical play. Even if he's not a hitter he has a very aggressive play the body style along the boards. He's using his size well in that respect and will only get more effective with weight.

Wings are also taking this U22 thing to play in AHL very literally.
I don't see how they're going to keep Jarnkrok and Ouellet down in the AHL till they're 23. Both look much more seasoned than your typical prospect.

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12-28-2012, 11:18 AM
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I don't see how they're going to keep Jarnkrok and Ouellet down in the AHL till they're 23. Both look much more seasoned than your typical prospect.
I meant this transfer agreement that says players U22 taken after the 1st round can return to their SEL team if they don't make the NHL. I.e. Backman could next season negate going to the AHL, therefore Wings make is sound like he's not eligible to play there.

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12-28-2012, 11:30 AM
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There's by the way a newspaper article today about player salaries in the SEL(they're not made official by the teams). They've categorized the players and Calle fell into the category making between $90k-180k/yr. Very good deal for his team to say the least.. A select few players in the league make up towards $500k/yr.

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12-28-2012, 12:13 PM
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Don't agree that Backman is a finesse player with no physical play. Even if he's not a hitter he has a very aggressive play the body style along the boards. He's using his size well in that respect and will only get more effective with weight.
I agree with you on this but I guess that's their way of saying that he doesn't hit etc. I've actually been surprised how much more aggressive he seems compared to last season. Even though he doesn't shy away from contact, he likes to use his positioning, pokecheck and smarts instead of simply running over guys. He still needs to add weight and get stronger.

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12-28-2012, 12:40 PM
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I don't see how they're going to keep Jarnkrok and Ouellet down in the AHL till they're 23. Both look much more seasoned than your typical prospect.
I don't think they are going to do that. Like you said, they are not typical prospects. 1 season is definitely a maximum for Järnkrok.

Those typical prospects will need more seasoning, that "HF-Boards-hated-Ken-Holland" -overseasoning.

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12-28-2012, 01:06 PM
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Pulkkinen got an assist on their OT-winner tonight. Pulled a couple of opponents on to himself and then passed to an open D-man who scored. He set up some chances earlier such as a breakaway for his linemate but no goals. Karlsson will play his last game tomorrow so it will be interesting to see how they change their first PP unit. With Karlsson they have only 1 d-man so if they move to two it might mean taking Pulkkinen off that unit. They play again tomorrow against local rival HIFK.

18.30 icetime, +1 and 6 shots.

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12-28-2012, 01:06 PM
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He (and Jokerit) left it late but Pulkkinen kept his scoring streak alive by setting up the 2-3 OT winner against HPK in Hämeenlina.

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There's by the way a newspaper article today about player salaries in the SEL(they're not made official by the teams). They've categorized the players and Calle fell into the category making between $90k-180k/yr. Very good deal for his team to say the least.. A select few players in the league make up towards $500k/yr.
Does this mean Jarnkrok would earn more $ in the AHL than the SEL? I know he may make the jump straight to Detroit but it would be nice if he wasn't ready for the NHL that he would be willing to go to Grand Rapids for a bit.

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12-28-2012, 01:30 PM
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Does this mean Jarnkrok would earn more $ in the AHL than the SEL? I know he may make the jump straight to Detroit but it would be nice if he wasn't ready for the NHL that he would be willing to go to Grand Rapids for a bit.
If he signs same contract as Tatar (I presume he will, both were 2nd round picks) his siging bonus would be $90k and his AHL salary $65k. He would get $155k for sure.

If and when he gets a chance in NHL, his NHL salary would be 640k.

So if he'll get ~20 games in NHL and stays in AHL the rest of the season, he could get 25% of the NHL salary (160k), 75% of the AHL salary (48k) and that signing bonus (90k)

Total of $298k. That beats his Elitserien earnings pretty easily. It's not really a money thing. He will get his millions later.


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For Marchenko, there could be a huge difference. He is much much more far away from NHL than Järnkrok and KHL can pay much more than SEL for him. I understand it better. But Marchenko had some willingness to come and is interested about English and American culture. I read something like that about his background. He is interested to come, not a shy typical Russian with language problem who doesn't wan't to leave his home-coutry, if good money and spot to play is available there.

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12-28-2012, 04:22 PM
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Yes. He played on the 26th and had a team high icetime 21:46, so apparently he's recovered from it quite well.
Good news.

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Good MLive article on our Euro prospects: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....ospects_c.html

Few points:
- Järnkrok & Pulkkinen coming over next season and if not ready for the NHL will play in GR.
- Bäckman will play in Linköping next season and is "2-3 years away from being ready (for the NHL) if he continues to develop at this pace".
- On Marchenko: "We'll make a decision on bringing him over, if he wants to come. Good chance for next year. A lot will depend on him.'' "He must decide whether to come to North America, where he would be playing in Grand Rapids, or remain in the KHL, where he'd earn more money."
Good info. I wonder how much of Nil's opinion is based on each player and/or the player's agent. For instance Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen seem intent on coming over and that's why Nil suggests they will come over. Jarnkrok certainly seems ready however Pulkkinen doesn't seem anywhere close to being NHL ready IMO. If they are coming over regardless it helps to explain Nil's comment on it's either NHL or AHL for both players.

With Backman perhaps there's less interest playing in GR and he's not a surefire guy like Jarnkrok so Nil comments he'll spend at least 1 more year in Sweden or could need 3 more seasons to become an NHL caliber d-man. My take has tended to be that Backman wouldn't come over until he's a good bet for the NHL roster but that's based on absolutely nothing, just a guess on my part.

With Marchenko he has always expressed interest in coming to NA and as Nil points out he would have been Russia's #1 dman in the WJC if not for injury. The talent is obviously there but Marchenko may not be keen on coming over if he's not likely to make the big club. So that might be why Nil is more circumspect and doesn't sound as confident on Marchenko coming to NA as he does in regards to Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen.

At least most of them are showing solid improvement and are in the conversation for playing in NA within the next few seasons.

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12-28-2012, 05:40 PM
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Looks like the same thing is for WHL games: http://whl.neulion.com/whl/

Today playing: Nedomlel, Quine, Athanasiou
Tomorrow: Nedomlel, Sproul, Quine, Athanasiou

Bäckman and Järnkrok both played tonight. Bäckman 0+0, +3, 1 SOG, 21:07 icetime and Järnkrok 0+0, -2, 2 PIM, 15:31 icetime.
Bäckman got an assist on Linköping's 5-3 goal.

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12-28-2012, 06:27 PM
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Bäckman got an assist on Linköping's 5-3 goal.
Ok, thanks. They must have added it later on because I checked the stats right after the game

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12-28-2012, 09:54 PM
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Xavier Ouellet's back door feed to Rattie was sick. I really like what I have seen from his defensive game as well.

I was watching my hometown OHL team tonight so I didn't watch any of the Wings prospects but I do plan on taking advantage of the free views and check in on some of them tomorrow.

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12-29-2012, 02:43 AM
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AA2 goal, +1
Hudon with zip.
Same with Nedolmel though they won 6-4.
Quine 2A, +1

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Pulkkinen keeping his streak alive, one assist today so far.

Edit: stream for the Jokerit-HIFK game: http://www.twitch.tv/jokeristream


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Pulkkinen keeping his streak alive, one assist today so far.

Edit: stream for the Jokerit-HIFK game: http://www.twitch.tv/jokeristream
And Pulkkinen scooors 3-1!

1+1 so far today

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And Pulkkinen scooors 3-1!

1+1 so far today
Nice pass to Moses on the pp to make it 6-1 for Jokerit. 1+2 now.

Edit: final score 8-1.


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Yeah, Pulu was pretty good tonight. But Karlsson picked 2 assist more for 1+4 in he's final game at Jokerit, lol.

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There's still hope for Pulkkinen!

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There's still hope for Pulkkinen!
Yes, false hope.


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Dekeyser playing for Western Michigan on FSD. He's #5.

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Pulkkinen's icetime was 22:31 which was most among forwards and 2nd for Jokerit right after Karlsson. Clearly the most he's played this year.

EDIT. Game highlights. Goal at 1:53, assists at 0:57 and 3:28. Especially the last one was a nice play.


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2010-11 Pulkkinen, 0.280 shots/minute, 0.0198 goals/minute
2011-12 Pulkkinen, 0.266 shots/minute, 0.0181 goals/minute
2012-13 Pulkkinen, 0.324 shots/minute, 0.0161 goals/minute

After the bad start, and concentrating to his defensive game, his goal scoring rate isn't that low compared to other seasons. And he shoots more than ever per icetime.

He doesn't get any easy goals. Just look at that video. It's Steve Moses always on the best spot putting in one-timers. Swap Pulkkinen to play that position on the PP and you will get better, but also "inflated" stats.

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Quine was -2.
Sproul with a goal, +1.
AA2 -4 in a 6-4 loss. Ugh.
Nedolmel -1.

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