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12-28-2012, 03:13 PM
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I'll be a nice Spitfire fan, and tactfully point out that you meant Kitchener, not the Rose City. Lol
Apologies for the mistake! Point still stands that Spott's ties to Murphy as his head coach are clouding his judgment.

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12-28-2012, 03:16 PM
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I have to agree with Zeke and co., sorry Frankie.

Spott seems like a complete tool at times. Not just at this tourney, but at his regular gig too. Now it's just being amplified at this stage. Someone brought up Quinn and Joseph at the Olympics, but it was one and done and Quinn quickly moved on. Seems like Spott wil go to the grave with his faves and what he precieved before the tourney.
no need to apologize.

i'm not defending spott. don't know much about him, and from what i've seen, he's not overly impressive. he doesn't instill much confidence.

but i also have to figure he isn't here by some fluke. hockey canada had a lot of great junior coaches to choose from. spott has risen to this level, there's likely a good reason.

you think he'll revert back to not giving rielly much ice time, and not allow him to have much of an impact in this tournament?

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12-28-2012, 03:20 PM
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Apologies for the mistake! Point still stands that Spott's ties to Murphy as his head coach are clouding his judgment.
Definitely, and I'd hate for that to be his hubris, though I fear it may be.

I don't care how close you are to a player. You need to step outside of that sometimes.

Back when we were younger in rep, Kyle Wellwood's own dad benched him for not passing. Everyone was shocked, but he set up the game winner 3 shifts later. Tough love works.

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12-28-2012, 03:22 PM
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you think he'll revert back to not giving rielly much ice time, and not allow him to have much of an impact in this tournament?
Point of no return now, he's got to go with guys producing. His usual suspects would have had us at 1-1. But as a good coach his love for guys who aren't producing or maybe even shouldn't be there in the first place would've been recognized from the hop.

On top of that one thing Spott has really been preaching is discipline and not to take any penalties. That's another thing Reilly excels at as he rarely takes a deuce.

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12-28-2012, 03:26 PM
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I have to agree with Zeke and co., sorry Frankie.

Spott seems like a complete tool at times. Not just at this tourney, but at his regular gig too. Now it's just being amplified at this stage. Someone brought up Quinn and Joseph at the Olympics, but it was one and done and Quinn quickly moved on. Seems like Spott wil go to the grave with his faves and what he precieved before the tourney.
I couldn't agree more.

He's going to stick with Subban to the end, he overplays Hamilton far too much, and Murphy shouldn't have even made the team.

If we lose both Camara and Lipon to suspensions i'd be moving Murphy to the 4th line wing for Sunday's game. He's pretty useless on D, and our worst pairing is Hamilton and Murphy by a mile.


Let me clarify on Subban as well. I think he's played OK in the first 2 games, but he certainly isn't going to steal us any games in this tournament. He usually allows 1 bad goal, makes saves he should make and lets goals in he should. Nothing horrid, but nothing special either.

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12-28-2012, 03:52 PM
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I have to agree with Zeke and co., sorry Frankie.

Spott seems like a complete tool at times. Not just at this tourney, but at his regular gig too. Now it's just being amplified at this stage. Someone brought up Quinn and Joseph at the Olympics, but it was one and done and Quinn quickly moved on. Seems like Spott wil go to the grave with his faves and what he precieved before the tourney.
I'm not arguing Spott is a complete tool.

Even great coaches make mistakes....and particularly with team Canada at WJC's, whoever is coach is almost always biased towards his veterans and against his rookies.

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12-28-2012, 03:57 PM
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Rielly has made a case today he deserves more ice time, especially in key offensive situations. This much we know.

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12-28-2012, 03:58 PM
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you are absolutely dead wrong. i don't know why you want to take credit away from rielly for what he did in this game.

if the coach's hand was forced, it was because rielly forced his hand with improved play and/or work ethic. i'm giving the kid full marks for that. you can continue to be negative and tell us all these "outside factors" are at play, but i'm giving rielly the credit he deserves.

i was given the excuses that he's only 18, his coach is stupid, his team is playing "just ok" around him. none of those things changed. nothing in his environment changed, proving the excuses wrong.
You were told after game 1 that the main reason Rielly didn't impress was because his coach didn't give him the ice time. That at the start of game one he actually looked good, but as his ice time dwindled so did his play.

You claimed this was an excuse at the time, not a legitimate reason.

Then in game 2, after his team went down 2-0 and 3-1, coach shook things up and gave Rielly more icetime, and Rielly immediately impressed. Note that the increased icetime didn't come as a result of Rielly's play (as he barely played in the first period and didn't do anything notable in it), but simply as a coaching decision based on his team's poor play.

This directly proved that the coach's decisions on icetime was a legitimate reason for his varying play, not an excuse.

You then came on this thread and hilariously (and unsurprisingly) tried to pat yourself on the back and play I told you so this morning about being right all along - and everyone else you attempted to criticize after game 1 wrong - when in fact the results directly proved the direct opposite.

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Not a bad start for the defenseman getting the least amount of ice on Canada


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12-28-2012, 04:02 PM
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so now spott knew this all along, and is just now recovering from some momentary panic to start to the tournament? really? he had massive panic against germany?

other excuse-makers say spott "finally learned how to use rielly". so which is it?

why are you guys trying to make these outlandish excuses? just give the kid full credit for what he did in this game. this is what we wanted and expected to see from him.
Team Canada WJC coaches are notorious for reflexively leaning on their vets, and shortchanging their rooks.

Happens every year, and isn't surprising in the least.

And, of course, the notion of icetime influencing a player's ability to impact the game is the opposite of outlandish - it's better described as stating the obvious.

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Not a bad start for the defenseman getting the least amount of ice on Canada

2 from BC in the top 3

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Yeah, so amazing. I mean who would've ever thought that a young player playing in his first U-20 tourney would get better as the games went on...

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12-28-2012, 04:10 PM
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Rielly had a great game today. He was one of the main catalysts for the come-back. He played a smart game, and still managed to create a lot of offense.

What will be more telling will be if he can step up against the US, and Russians in the next two games, and then in the elimination/medal games when the stakes are higher against better competition.

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12-28-2012, 04:11 PM
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Rielly has made a case today he deserves more ice time, especially in key offensive situations. This much we know.
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Not a bad start for the defenseman getting the least amount of ice on Canada

Interesting that TSN is (rightfully) giving him the assist from the Germany game. IIHF will probably not budge.

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Majority of Leafs fans would probably still rather have Gally, I was never one of them. Who just might be a better left winger than Center.
Count me as another who wanted Rielly over Gally.....well I would have had a hard time not taking Rielly over everyone.....look at what he has done with limited Ice time....that part leaves me shaking my head.

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12-28-2012, 04:20 PM
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The thing that I love about Rielly is that he always seems to play well against tough competition. He did great in the Canada/Russia challenge this summer and he played well in the Subway series for the WHL.

He seems to elevate his game because he's got unreal talent with the hockey iq to back it up.

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I couldn't agree more.

He's going to stick with Subban to the end, he overplays Hamilton far too much, and Murphy shouldn't have even made the team.

If we lose both Camara and Lipon to suspensions i'd be moving Murphy to the 4th line wing for Sunday's game. He's pretty useless on D, and our worst pairing is Hamilton and Murphy by a mile.


Let me clarify on Subban as well. I think he's played OK in the first 2 games, but he certainly isn't going to steal us any games in this tournament. He usually allows 1 bad goal, makes saves he should make and lets goals in he should. Nothing horrid, but nothing special either.


Our big test I feel will be when we play USA or Russia. Both teams have good offense and defense and I would say better goaltending than Canada. If we can't beat them we really are in rough shape.

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but i also have to figure he isn't here by some fluke. hockey canada had a lot of great junior coaches to choose from. spott has risen to this level, there's likely a good reason.
Maybe he knows the right people? Like many other areas, hockey related employment has a lot to do with who you know.

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you think he'll revert back to not giving rielly much ice time, and not allow him to have much of an impact in this tournament?
Rielly received less icetime in the 3rd, than he did in the 2nd. So, it's possible.

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From the very little I've seen of Rielly, he strikes me of a JM Liles type. I'm unsure of his game on the defensive side of the puck though he appears to have a solid grasp on angling guys out. Like Gardiner, his speed allows him to recover from mistakes.

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From the very little I've seen of Rielly, he strikes me of a JM Liles type. I'm unsure of his game on the defensive side of the puck though he appears to have a solid grasp on angling guys out. Like Gardiner, his speed allows him to recover from mistakes.
While I'm sure his speed would be an asset to help recover from mistakes, he's made very few mistakes during this tourney so far, and none in his own zone. Something that can't be said about the other blueliners.

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While I'm sure his speed would be an asset to help recover from mistakes, he's made very few mistakes during this tourney so far, and none in his own zone. Something that can't be said about the other blueliners.
There were a few moments for me where it looked like Rielly was going to get beat wide, but then he when he stops skating backwards he turns around and quickly angles guys out.

Not sure how well that will translate in the pros.

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There were a few moments for me where it looked like Rielly was going to get beat wide, but then he when he stops skating backwards he turns around and quickly angles guys out.

Not sure how well that will translate in the pros.
Plays like that are made 100s of times a night in the NHL. It's the biggest reason an NHL defender stops skating backwards and turns around.

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Plays like that are made 100s of times a night in the NHL. It's the biggest reason an NHL defender stops skating backwards and turns around.
The best part is Rielly has the speed and agility to do it well. There won't be very many defenders who will beat him out wide.

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You were told after game 1 that the main reason Rielly didn't impress was because his coach didn't give him the ice time. That at the start of game one he actually looked good, but as his ice time dwindled so did his play.

You claimed this was an excuse at the time, not a legitimate reason.

Then in game 2, after his team went down 2-0 and 3-1, coach shook things up and gave Rielly more icetime, and Rielly immediately impressed. Note that the increased icetime didn't come as a result of Rielly's play (as he barely played in the first period and didn't do anything notable in it), but simply as a coaching decision based on his team's poor play.

This directly proved that the coach's decisions on icetime was a legitimate reason for his varying play, not an excuse.

You then came on this thread and hilariously (and unsurprisingly) tried to pat yourself on the back and play I told you so this morning about being right all along - and everyone else you attempted to criticize after game 1 wrong - when in fact the results directly proved the direct opposite.
absolutely wrong. rielly got more ice time because he was better.

all these excuses that people threw out there have been proven dead wrong. nothing in his environment has changed.

this directly proves that its all up to rielly. it proves that he deserves full credit for his great game today. it proves your excuses were simply wrong. its absurd that you're trying to take credit away from him.

you were told that these were foolish excuses, and his great play today proves it.

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