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12-19-2012, 08:37 AM
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You know who I blame for this lock out? The players' wives. There is no way I'd get away with this stubborn stupidity. Why aren't these women doing their jobs? Isn't a wife's duty to keep her husband from doing stupid **** for ridiculous reasons?
Is it time for them to go Lysistrata on the players?

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12-19-2012, 09:35 AM
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^ yes. One hundred percent yes.

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12-19-2012, 09:57 AM
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Doan was on Hockey Central in Canada last night. As always he was one of the classiest guys to ever play this game. It's the Doan's of the world that I miss and feel for.

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12-19-2012, 12:19 PM
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On a lockout note, former Yote Danny Briere is probably one of the players most harmed by the missing games. Age 35 now, his remaining contract salaries are:

2012-2013: $7m
2013-2014: $3m
2014-2015: $2m

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12-19-2012, 09:35 PM
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On a lockout note, former Yote Danny Briere is probably one of the players most harmed by the missing games. Age 35 now, his remaining contract salaries are:

2012-2013: $7m
2013-2014: $3m
2014-2015: $2m
Yotes trade target next September? Big cap hit, low salary. He doesn't seem like the kind of vet that would get so out of shape during the year off, it kills their career like what happened to some the last missed season. 36 isn't that old these days.

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12-20-2012, 01:36 AM
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Yotes trade target next September? Big cap hit, low salary. He doesn't seem like the kind of vet that would get so out of shape during the year off, it kills their career like what happened to some the last missed season. 36 isn't that old these days.
I haven't been on here in a while...but...pointing out that Briere is 36 makes me feel *very* old

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12-20-2012, 08:50 AM
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I'd love to have Briere back. Unfortunately he's got a NMC and rumored custody issue with his ex. Apparently he's staying in Philly until his kids are grown. At least that's what Flyers fans on this site have led me to believe.

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NHL cancels games through Jan. 14

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/87...l-games-jan-14

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BLOG: Phoenix Coyotes working despite NHL lockout

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The players hold a practice Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday at 11 in the morning, and if you hang around until the end, you could get a chance to meet some of your favorite players like Shane Doan, Mike Smith, and Derek Morris.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/sports/spor...#ixzz2Fd6vkBY3

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12-28-2012, 08:39 AM
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NHL has made a slightly new offer. Contract length uped to 6 years and 7 for your own player. ONe buyout before 13/14 season that won'tcount against cap but will come out of players share. Variance will increase from 5% to 10%. These are only details I have seen yet.

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NHL has made a slightly new offer. Contract length uped to 6 years and 7 for your own player. ONe buyout before 13/14 season that won'tcount against cap but will come out of players share. Variance will increase from 5% to 10%. These are only details I have seen yet.
If make whole still represents the same percentage (pro-rated) than the PA has managed to get an extremely sweet deal (two months too late to actually benefit any current union members).

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Make whole still $300 million but NHL still has cap at $60 million for next season and no escrow limit.

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I say TAKE THE DEAL!

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12-28-2012, 12:53 PM
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I say TAKE THE DEAL!
Me too!! Drop the puck!

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Details of offer, per ESPN

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...ec-27-proposal

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• Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right after 8 years.

• 50-50 Revenue Split between Clubs and Players with current HRR Accounting.

• No contractual “roll backs” of Player Salaries.

• Clubs can operate with an effective Upper Limit of $70.2 million in 2012/13; must
come into compliance with $60 million Upper Limit for the start of the 2013/14
season.

• Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one “Compliance Buy-Out” prior to the
2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged
against the team’s Cap, but will be charged against the Players’ Share.

• Establishment of a Defined Benefit Pension Plan that will provide maximum
permissible benefits to Players upon retirement. The Plan will be funded with
contributions out of Players’ Share and $50 million of the “Make-Whole” payment
amount of $300 million will be allocated and set aside to fund potential underfunding
liabilities of the Plan at end of CBA.

• Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another
professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the
NHL team’s Cap, but not against the Players’ Share.

• More robust League-wide Revenue Sharing Program (increased pool from
approximately $150 million to $200 million) with creation of Industry Growth Fund to
improve the long-term revenue generating potential of the League and low-grossing
Clubs. Formation of active Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee on which NHLPA
will participate.

• Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to
Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):
1. Lower Limit obligation without performance bonuses;
2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;
3. Creation of Salary Cap exceptions for emergency roster situations/goaltender
injuries;
4. Waiver exemptions for mid-season signings of Club’s own European Players;
5. Availability of Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of the CBA;
6. Creation of “interview period” for Unrestricted Free Agents

• Various Player contract enhancements and protections, including:
1. Early activation of “No Move/No Trade” clauses in contract extensions;
2. Additional restrictions on Club “buy-out” rights of Player contracts;
3. Modified Waiver obligations for Clubs / enhanced Waiver opportunities for
Players;
4. Standardization of reimbursements and benefits related to Player
assignments (trades, loans, recalls, etc.);
5. Continued increases in League Minimum Salary and Per Diem;
6. Playoff Pool increased from $6.5 million to $13 million in Year 1; additional
regular increases over the balance of the CBA term;
7. All minor league salary paid in USD;
8. Liberalized “Cap treatment” standards for Club initiatives benefitting Players,
such as “parent-son” road trips; milestone awards/gifts; parental travel and
lodging for attendance at EL Player games, Club provision of various types of
“professional development”-type services for Players, etc.
From main board.

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12-28-2012, 03:44 PM
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Does the compliance buy-out also mean that after buying out the player, the team can not re-sign him or trade for him for a year?

And the elimination of re-entry waiver? Does that mean call-ups will not have to go through waivers? Just being sent down will? Modify waiver obligations? Enhanced waiver opportunities (I suspect the Wade Redden rule).

Doubt the PA will get a better deal...

And we all know that this is because the Coyotes will have a new owner. Both sides were just waiting for the saga to finally come to an and.
I MISS HOCKEY

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12-28-2012, 07:19 PM
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Players reportedly not impressed. Time to break the union again. Oh yes. A lost season, but for a worthy cause.

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12-28-2012, 08:23 PM
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And the elimination of re-entry waiver? Does that mean call-ups will not have to go through waivers? Just being sent down will?
I would guess we'd go back to the old system, where you simply waived an eligible player before assigning him to another pro league. It will be good for the players too, because there were several guys that were stuck in the minors because the teams didn't want to pay them to play for someone else. There used to be quite a bit of movement on the wire (and the waiver-draft). It helped teams when the injury bug hit and kept fringe players in the NHL.

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I would guess we'd go back to the old system, where you simply waived an eligible player before assigning him to another pro league. It will be good for the players too, because there were several guys that were stuck in the minors because the teams didn't want to pay them to play for someone else. There used to be quite a bit of movement on the wire (and the waiver-draft). It helped teams when the injury bug hit and kept fringe players in the NHL.
just wanted clarification if the waived player gets sent to the 'A' needs to go through waivers on a recall or if it only means that a team doesn't have to pick up 1/2 of the salary on a player that was picked off the waiver wire when recalled. It also sounds as they did something with the issue of burying contracts.

I like the idea of a weighed draft lottery for all non-playoff teams.


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Does the compliance buy-out also mean that after buying out the player, the team can not re-sign him or trade for him for a year?

And the elimination of re-entry waiver? Does that mean call-ups will not have to go through waivers? Just being sent down will? Modify waiver obligations? Enhanced waiver opportunities (I suspect the Wade Redden rule).

Doubt the PA will get a better deal...

And we all know that this is because the Coyotes will have a new owner. Both sides were just waiting for the saga to finally come to an and.
I MISS HOCKEY
Dunno on the compliance buyout, but the safe guess is it would work like the last CBA that teams couldn't acquire the player for a season.

It sounds like a complete elimination of re-entry waivers, though it might be just getting rid of the 50/50 salary split re-entry waivers.

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I like the idea of a weighed draft lottery for all non-playoff teams.
I like it also. Even if all they did was copy the NBA's lottery I think it would be an improvement over the current system.

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/87...-talks-sources

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In the league's latest offer, the NHLPA was provided a target date of Jan. 11 to complete a deal. That deadline would allow teams to have a week for training camp before the puck drops on Jan. 19 in what would be a 48-game season.
I certainly miss hockey. It makes up most of my entertainment budget for the year but am I the only one that doesn't like the way this sounds? One week of camp?? How many guys are going to be completely out of shape? How many injuries will we see early on? I don't want to pay for half a season of bad hockey. At this point I'd rather they cancel the season and put a system in place that gives every team a fair chance to be successful with solid revenue sharing and an intelligent cap/salary structure.

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You guys know how the NHL have accused Fehr of keeping the players in the dark over and over again?


Yeeeaaah, about that.

(bottom to top)


Class act, owners. Real class act.

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Fehr is to players as Bettman is to ___________?

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**** the players. The NHL wanted to negotiate far before the NHLPA wanted to.

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