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12-28-2012, 04:42 PM
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dregor reports, NHL PA conference call tomorrow, to go over proposal and get clarification, etc. Both sides expected to talk tomorrow.

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To think the Flyers would use a buyout on Bryzgalov is one of the dumbest things I have seen on here. Why on Earth would they do that? Ed Snider isn't going to throw that money out the window so easily. Bryz played 1 season for us and he wasn't terrible. He was bad half the season, decent a quarter of the season and spectacular a quarter of the season. He isn't the reason we got knocked out in the playoffs and his cap hit isn't anywhere near as bad as people say it is... his contract will only begin to be a problem towards the end of his career. In that case, buy out the last 1 to 2 years then... not now.

I am still in the camp of Bryz being back to "normal" whenever we start playing hockey again.
your the only one makin sense on here. they didn't sign that contract as frivolously as a lot of impatient fans think they did. Their also not dumb enough to get rid of a proven number 1 after one season where he had a few bad adjustment months in the beginning of a season full of a completely new roster core and a career ending and majorly deflating injury to our captain, which the entire team was philosophically built around. has to be pronger. briere was and still is worth what we paid for him. besides the term on his contract, bryzgalov WILL be worth that cap hit.

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12-28-2012, 04:51 PM
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Trade Bryzgalov + pick/player to Vancouver for Luongo. The Canucks can buy out Bryzgalov and the Flyers can buy out someone else.
Longer deal on Luongo and he's older.

Saving only 333k or so a year?

Pass.

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Trade Bryzgalov + pick/player to Vancouver for Luongo. The Canucks can buy out Bryzgalov and the Flyers can buy out someone else.
So we trade one bad contract and picks for a worse contract.

Great idea.

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12-28-2012, 04:57 PM
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Luongo would never survive here. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back with Florida.

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Luongo would never survive here. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back with Florida.
It will be there or Toronto. I think it will be Toronto.

Amnestying Briere is pointless, unless he refuses to waive his no-move assuming he would be traded. As long as he is willing, they will be able to trade him.


The problem with trading Bryz so that he can be bought out also won't work, because he still gets paid (right?). We'd be better off just doing it ourselves.

Also, they have to work out these guys who just want to retire. If the Flyers and Bruins can't get free passes on guys who are effectively retired, they can throw out the door everything they claim to say about concussions. It might be business, but it's no harm/no foul if you're still intending on paying them.


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12-28-2012, 05:11 PM
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It will be there or Toronto. I think it will be Toronto.

Amnestying Briere is pointless, unless he refuses to waive his no-move assuming he would be traded. As long as he is willing, they will be able to trade him.


The problem with trading Bryz so that he can be bought out also won't work, because he still gets paid (right?). We'd be better off just doing it ourselves.

Also, they have to work out these guys who just want to retire. If the Flyers and Bruins can't get free passes on guys who are effectively retired, they can throw out the door everything they claim to say about concussions. It might be business, but it's no harm/no foul if you're still intending on paying them.
I doubt it would be allowed but something like :

Bryz to MTL for Kaberle to have each team buy out the player and then re-sign bryz would be ideal

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12-28-2012, 06:45 PM
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Buying out Bryz is beyond idiotic.

Who would be our goalie?

Leighton?

Yeah, no.

Pronger would be on LTIR

I'd probably go Meszaros
After 2012-13 season (If there is one) ,, Buyout Bryzgalov and trade for Bernier (LA). Flyers solve there goalie issues longterm acquiring Bernier

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I doubt it would be allowed but something like :

Bryz to MTL for Kaberle to have each team buy out the player and then re-sign bryz would be ideal
Don't they still have to pay the bought out player though? That's going to be the problem with trading Bryz to someone who would buy him out.


And he has a no-move, so he could just put the screws down on that anyways.

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After 2012-13 season (If there is one) ,, Buyout Bryzgalov and trade for Bernier (LA). Flyers solve there goalie issues longterm acquiring Bernier
What are we giving up for bernier? And to me he's just as much a question mark as bryz.

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The thing that sucks so bad is everyone's getting older, including me. This lockout BLOWS!

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After 2012-13 season (If there is one) ,, Buyout Bryzgalov and trade for Bernier (LA). Flyers solve there goalie issues longterm acquiring Bernier
Who would we trade for Bernier?
With the Cap likely going down, why would we take an additional hit to buyout Bryz, especially when Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier (among others) need to be re-signed next season?

It's pointless to chuck ideas around until we know what the salary cap info is and if there are any amnesty clauses.

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Who would we trade for Bernier?
With the Cap likely going down, why would we take an additional hit to buyout Bryz, especially when Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier (among others) need to be re-signed next season?

It's pointless to chuck ideas around until we know what the salary cap info is and if there are any amnesty clauses.
The proposal today said there would be an amnesty clause. That's where this whole buyout discussion has come from.

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The proposal today said there would be an amnesty clause. That's where this whole buyout discussion has come from.
Good. The Flyers could use about 3 of them. Even still, before we all cast Bryz to the curb, we'd need to piece together a deal for Bernier that won't hinder this team. I'm not sold on Bernier being ready to back a pro team as a #1 yet...and his backup is still Michael Leighton. What if Bernier is too pricey and we can't risk losing Bryz? Who gets amnestied instead?

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12-29-2012, 12:12 AM
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I wouldnt be opposed to acquring Bernier if the price is right. Maybe he isnt ready to be the no.1 yet, but hes a much better young goalie option then anyone we have now.

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Buying out Bryz is currently a bad idea with Pronger taking 5 mil every offseason and no other goalies sitting around, but chances are good we will wish we had in another 5 years. 35/36+ year old goalies worth over 5 million cap dollars are a rarity to say the least.

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Buying out Briere gives us enough money to resign Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Read.

2014-2015

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($6.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Second Line LW ($3.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.125m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Matt Read ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($2.250m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.800m) / 4th Line C ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.600m)
13th Forward ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.900m) / Top Pairing D (6.500m)
7th Defender ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Backup ($0.900m)

is $63,416,667m

assuming we have a salary cap of 64M by year two?


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Marc-Andre Bourdon, not Luc...

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pierre lebrun's nice breakdown.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/87...er-source-says

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Marc-Andre Bourdon, not Luc...
Fixed it.

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Buying out Briere gives us enough money to resign Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Read.

2014-2015

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($6.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Second Line LW ($3.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.125m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Matt Read ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($2.250m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.800m) / 4th Line C ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.600m)
13th Forward ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.900m) / Top Pairing D (6.500m)
7th Defender ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Backup ($0.900m)

is $63,416,667m

assuming we have a salary cap of 64M by year two?
Those extensions are mighty low in terms of dollars.
If this goes through with a 6/8 year contract limit Claude Giroux will cost more than $7m per year.
Also Matt Read, a 20goal and 50point scorer will cost more than $2.5m. Also extensions for Wellwood and Rinaldo will be more expensive if they're given out.
On the flipside I believe you can get a #1 defender for less than $6.5m if he's old enough and not directly effected by the limit in contract length, i.e. older than 28 or so.

Don't really know what you mean by year two. If I understood right the cap would be the same as last season for this one and after this would trop to $60m, so there goes another $4m.

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NHL & NHL PA have ended their conference calls for the night, they have agreed to have another call, tomorrow in NYC, which could lead to bargning.

The PA is using this weekend, to fully look over the new proposal. They will ask questions, clarification, etc. I expect, during the call today that is what they were chatting about.

Both sides continuing to talk tomorrow is good.

I just hope that with the 3 conessions made in the players favor, they at least have a player vote on the deal. but it wouldn't surprise me if Fehr, tries to get more.

one of the new improvements for the players that the league basically caved into was player variance, the percentage was at 5 NHL up that to 10% the PA was hoping for 25%, so stuff like that might have fehr basically say ok, we agree to all but can you come up on that, since were only 15% off from a deal. who knows, but I think fehr might try to ink out more stuff, which is right from a nego standpoint.

anyway's, circle jan 18 start of NHL 48 game schedule if they agree to this new deal, otherwise, its over.

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12-29-2012, 06:07 PM
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Those extensions are mighty low in terms of dollars.
If this goes through with a 6/8 year contract limit Claude Giroux will cost more than $7m per year.
Also Matt Read, a 20goal and 50point scorer will cost more than $2.5m. Also extensions for Wellwood and Rinaldo will be more expensive if they're given out.
On the flipside I believe you can get a #1 defender for less than $6.5m if he's old enough and not directly effected by the limit in contract length, i.e. older than 28 or so.

Don't really know what you mean by year two. If I understood right the cap would be the same as last season for this one and after this would trop to $60m, so there goes another $4m.
Feel free to move money around as you see fit, my point is that we cannot fit all of them with Briere still on the roster.

2014-2015

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($7.250m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.125m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
3rd Line LW ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($2.250m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.900m) / 4th Line C ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.700m)
13th Forward ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.900m) / Top Pairing D (6.300m)
7th Defender ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Backup ($0.900m)

is $62,917,667m

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12-29-2012, 07:31 PM
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I would hesitate to Pencil Bourdon in the lineup any more, he won't have a functioning brain the way he's getting concusions

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I would hesitate to Pencil Bourdon in the lineup any more, he won't have a functioning brain the way he's getting concusions
I agree. He's also a dime a dozen.

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