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12-29-2012, 10:33 AM
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i love how you pick apart one part of the post. Yes, Leafs need to make the playoffs next year or Burke is canned. He knows it. Everyone knows it. Which is the point i was alluding to: makes no sense to trade Kessel, his only legit top liner
You're telling me the leafs are making moves (or not making them) to protect the GM's job?

Is this how backwards the franchise is?

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12-29-2012, 10:34 AM
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You're telling me the leafs are making moves (or not making them) to protect the GM's job?

Is this how backwards the franchise is?
is this serious?

Who makes the moves?

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12-29-2012, 10:36 AM
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is this serious?

Who makes the moves?
You know what Im trying to say here.

Is Burke making moves that are not necessarily best for the Leafs and the fanbase (millions of people) but for himself?

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But to get Scheifle, Trouba, and a 2nd I probably would.
No chance I'd do that personally.

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Leafs are in win-now mode.
Really?? How many games do they lose when they are in a re-building mode then?

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You know what Im trying to say here.

Is Burke making moves that are not necessarily best for the Leafs and the fanbase (millions of people) but for himself?
if you were GM, wouldn't you? If you're in Burke's position and you know your job's on the line would you trade Kessel?

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12-29-2012, 10:37 AM
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Kadri would be in my long term plans.

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Kadri would be in my long term plans.
So the 25 year old 80+ point scorer is expendable, but the disappointing oaf that is Nazem Kadri is a future star?

Right. Carry on.

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if you were GM, wouldn't you? If you're in Burke's position and you know your job's on the line would you trade Kessel?
If I was GM I would do what's best for the TEAM AND FANS and not my imminent future and career. That would be incredibly selfish to undermine the franchise.

If I was at risk of being fired, I probably have made some terrible mistakes in the past and I would accept it.

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So the 25 year old 80+ point scorer is expendable, but the disappointing oaf that is Nazem Kadri is a future star?

Right. Carry on.
Lol! I would hate to hear your definition of chemistry.

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Team chemistry. Calling kads an oaf now while you're at it too? Such disrespect from this poster.

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Really?? How many games do they lose when they are in a re-building mode then?
This guy is on to something.

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Really?? How many games do they lose when they are in a re-building mode then?
The difference is not seeing and staying in a playoff position for most
of the year.

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Team chemistry. Calling kads an oaf now while you're at it too? Such disrespect from this poster.
You should really stop responding and let this thread die. The Jets are trying to build a young tough team to play against. Why trade for Kessel, when we could try to sign Perry? If you can make assumptions about signing Perry so can Jets fans, plus we can keep our prospects in that scenario.


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The lone defensible argument of this trade, is that PK will not be
re-signing/extending with us. I would shop around.

Even if Kessel decides to stay, I would still pursue Perry (and others).

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12-29-2012, 11:03 AM
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If I was GM I would do what's best for the TEAM AND FANS and not my imminent future and career. That would be incredibly selfish to undermine the franchise.

If I was at risk of being fired, I probably have made some terrible mistakes in the past and I would accept it.
sure thing there Captain America

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You should really stop responding and let this thread die. The Jets are trying to build a young tough team to play against. Why trade for Kessel, when we could try to sign Perry? If you can make assumptions about signing Perry so can Jets fans, plus we can keep our prospects in that scenario.
Except Perry actually lives in Ontario in the offseason (London) by choice.


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The premise behind this thread is bizarre; the Jets, a franchise with an oft publicly stated long-term plan to build around its current young core via the draft... is expected by some here to now throw that franchise planning out the window and to just gift the Leafs our prospects in exchange for Phil Kessel? Yikes. It is as if some Leaf fans live in a bubble.

Not happening. Go fish somewhere else.

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12-29-2012, 11:14 AM
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You can be in a win now mode and still get a high pick. The Sens were a lottery team the season before despite being against the cap ceiling, the Blue Jackets as well just this past season.

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12-29-2012, 11:17 AM
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Except Perry actually lives in Ontario in the offseason (London) by choice.
Nobody's asking him to move from his home. He can still live in London

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The premise behind this thread is bizarre; the Jets, a franchise with an oft publicly stated long-term plan to build around its current young core via the draft... is expected by some here to now throw that franchise planning out the window and to just gift the Leafs our prospects in exchange for Phil Kessel? Yikes. It is as if some Leaf fans live in a bubble.

Not happening. Go fish somewhere else.
Well sorry for asking.

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Well sorry for asking.

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When planning a trade it is best to also consider the needs of the other team as well. The Jets needs are young, sizable, physical talent at all positions; they want to build a big and rough, hard-working team that is difficult to play against. Phil Kessel fills exactly zero of those requirements.

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12-29-2012, 11:27 AM
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When planning a trade it is best to also consider the needs of the other team as well. The Jets needs are young, sizable, physical talent at all positions; they want to build a big and rough, hard-working team that is difficult to play against. Phil Kessel fills exactly zero of those requirements.
How else are we supposed to learn about other teams unless we ask?

There's no reason to expect everyone to know every team around the league.

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When planning a trade it is best to also consider the needs of the other team as well. The Jets needs are young, sizable, physical players at all positions. Phil Kessel fills exactly zero of those requirements.
Spot on, Gump. Also: I would prefer (as I think Chevy does) that the Jets be modeled along the lines of an LAK or BOS team - score by committee (for the most part), difficult to play against, etc. Phil Kessel is an extremely good player, but doesn't help in that regard.

If Toronto is in a "win now" mode, then grabbing one or two prospects for a proven NHL trigger man doesn't make sense. Likewise, I don't see the Jets giving up two prospects that fit the Chevy mentality perfectly for a short term gain. There's no guarantee that Kessel would resign with the Jets, which would leave them short 1 or 2 top notch prospects, AND without a high scoring winger. Not very good asset management, IMHO.

If I were the Jets, I'd politely turn this down.

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What a joke. Terrible.

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