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Fastest Recovery or Climb to Cup Contender?

View Poll Results: Fastest Recovery to Cup Contender?
NYI 2 2.08%
Edmonton 29 30.21%
Columbus 2 2.08%
Toronto 1 1.04%
Colorado 26 27.08%
Florida 9 9.38%
Tampa 23 23.96%
Winnipeg 4 4.17%
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12-29-2012, 01:32 AM
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Fastest Recovery or Climb to Cup Contender?

In the past five years of the NHL entry draft, a small number of teams have all had multiple picks in the top five. Who's the most likely to turn things around the quickest? Los Angeles is probably not fair to place in the discussion due to them having good picks in 05/06/07 and the fact they just won the Stanley Cup.

Of the below mentioned teams, you'd think the NYI would turn things around the quickest, but they're so disfunctional off the ice and mismanage their prospects so bad who knows. Second would probably be the Oilers, could be scary good for years to come? Columbus, Colorado, Winnipeg and Florida have all gathered a bunch of good players through the draft and from trades, toss up between them. Tampa and Toronto are hard to judge, Tampa has some really good veteran talent to go along with the youth. So not sure about them. Toronto has a great young goal scorer in Kessel and it appears Gardiner and Rielly are the real deals, other than that they really don't have much for highend prospects. Although they are said to have good prospect depth, time will tell I guess.

NYI - 5 top five picks in the past five years. 2012/11/10/09/08. (traded down to 9th in 2008)
Edmonton - 3 top five picks inthe last five years. 2012/2011/2010
Columbus - 2 top five pick in the past five years. 2012/2010
Toronto - 2 top five picks in the past five years. 2012/2010 (traded 2010 away)
Colorado - 2 top five picks in the past five years. 2011/2009
Florida - 2 top five picks in the past five years. 2011/2010
Winnipeg - 2 top five picks in the past five years. 2009/2008
Tampa- 2 top five picks in the past five years. 2009/2008


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12-29-2012, 01:38 AM
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Columbus has 3 1st round picks in 2013's draft. We'll see where they land, but it could really help turn around the franchise quickly. Hopefully there is a draft...

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Columbus has 3 1st round picks in 2013's draft. We'll see where they land, but it could really help turn around the franchise quickly. Hopefully there is a draft...
The past few years, 2009 forward, Columbus has made some good picks. Before that, not so much! But I definitely think they're on the right track now. They acquired some great young depth with the Nash trade also, and, like you said, they have three picks in 2013.

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12-29-2012, 01:50 AM
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Florida.

Already a playoff team.

Stacked in young talent in virtually all positions.

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12-29-2012, 02:05 AM
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Columbus has 3 1st round picks in 2013's draft. We'll see where they land, but it could really help turn around the franchise quickly. Hopefully there is a draft...
It'll be interesting if there's no season. They could potentially draft 1,2,3 and be completely done their rebuild

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It'll be interesting if there's no season. They could potentially draft 1,2,3 and be completely done their rebuild
Yeah but the odds of that are obviously so low. Most CBJ fans expect a top-4 pick and then 2 in the 20's.

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12-29-2012, 02:50 AM
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Yeah but the odds of that are obviously so low. Most CBJ fans expect a top-4 pick and then 2 in the 20's.
Oh for sure. You just never know. Still, with how good this draft is, there should be a lot more optimism after the draft regardless of where all the picks end up

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Tampa. Management knows what they're doing and have a load of talent in the AHL.

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Tampa. Management knows what they're doing and have a load of talent in the AHL.
Like who? Connolly and Panik are good young prospects, but loads of talent is a bit of an overstatement!

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Like who? Connolly and Panik are good young prospects, but loads of talent is a bit of an overstatement!
Namestnikov, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Barberio, Tokarski, Helenius..

They have talent there but not sure-fire NHLers or superstars.

Went with Tampa too, good mix of kids and veterans, were there in '11, good management. And homer.

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Oh for sure. You just never know. Still, with how good this draft is, there should be a lot more optimism after the draft regardless of where all the picks end up
Columbus may surprise a few people. I think they've got more good young talent than people give them credit for, plus as mentioned, three first round picks in a really good draft year 2013. Howson has acquried depth, really important for success!

Guys that have recently been drafted Ryan Murray, Ryan Johansen, Boone Jenner, John Moore, all very very good young prospects! Derick Brassard is only 25 as well, not young but youngish. Similar point totals to Bozak in Toronto over the last two years.

Guys they've acquired by trade; Brandon Dubinsky (26yrs), Jack Johnson (24yrs), Nick Foligno (25yrs), Tim Erixon (21yrs), Artem Anisimov (24yrs), Sergei Bobrovsky (24yrs), again, all good young players!

They may not get there as fast as some other mentioned teams, but I think they're on their way.

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I'd keep an eye on Colorado and Edmonton.

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Colorado has some great young talent in Duchene, Landeskog, Varlomov, O'Reilly, Johnson, Stastny, Elliot and Barrie, but they need some wingers badly.

I'd put Edmonton, Tampa and Florida ahead of them.


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Colorado is the closest to playoff contending IMO.

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edmonton has to prove that they can actually make the playoffs before you start talking about stanley cups. and no, going from last place to 2nd last place isn't an improvement so i don't want to hear that they are improving.

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edmonton has to prove that they can actually make the playoffs before you start talking about stanley cups. and no, going from last place to 2nd last place isn't an improvement so i don't want to hear that they are improving.
Well if you're only going to look at their draft position then yes, it doesn't appear to be any better. But a person willing to look deeper will find that, they finished with with 74 points which is a 12 pt improvement over the 62 they had the year before. If they do that again, they're close to the playoffs. They're PP went from one of the worst in the league to one of the best, they're PK greatly improved as well, their goals for and against differential improved by 50. They're definitely getting better!

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Columbus has 3 1st round picks in 2013's draft. We'll see where they land, but it could really help turn around the franchise quickly. Hopefully there is a draft...
Ottawa had 3 first round picks in 2011. None have made a difference yet. Takes time.

There will be a draft regardless of lockout.

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Well if you're only going to look at their draft position then yes, it doesn't appear to be any better. But a person willing to look deeper will find that, they finished with with 74 points which is a 12 pt improvement over the 62 they had the year before. If they do that again, they're close to the playoffs. They're PP went from one of the worst in the league to one of the best, they're PK greatly improved as well, their goals for and against differential improved by 50. They're definitely getting better!
when you finish as bad as edmonton did, it's hard not to improve on that. all that matters is wins, and so far edmonton has shown that they will continue to be a lottery team.
they need:
-more forward depth
-forward grit that can actually play hockey (not plugs like stortini, eager, and hordichuk)
-a true #1 center (RNH is #2 center on a contending team)
-a good #1 defensive pairing (their #1 defensive pairing isn't even a good #2 on a contending team)
-defensive depth
-better goaltending
-better management

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Ottawa had 3 first round picks in 2011. None have made a difference yet. Takes time.

There will be a draft regardless of lockout.
There can be no draft without a CBA. Last time (2005) they had it in July, after the CBA was ratified.

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when you finish as bad as edmonton did, it's hard not to improve on that. all that matters is wins, and so far edmonton has shown that they will continue to be a lottery team.
they need:
-more forward depth
-forward grit that can actually play hockey (not plugs like stortini, eager, and hordichuk)
-a true #1 center (RNH is #2 center on a contending team)
-a good #1 defensive pairing (their #1 defensive pairing isn't even a good #2 on a contending team)
-defensive depth
-better goaltending
-better management
I 100% agree they still have a lot of room for improvement, but, if you look at the numbers they are definitely improving. Time will tell.

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