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12-29-2012, 10:46 AM
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If the price isn't too high I hope Shero targets him
I've always thought Kulemin would be great for the Penguins if the Leafs absolutely had to trade him, but I don't see it happening, unless maybe you guys want to trade Vokoun. Other than that the main needs for the Leafs are a defensive defensemen and a #1 center, neither of which I'd imagine the Penguins are open to trading.

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12-29-2012, 10:52 AM
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Other than that the main needs for the Leafs are a defensive defensemen and a #1 center, neither of which I'd imagine the Penguins are open to trading.
If I was Shero, Kulemin is someone I would open up the prospect D stable for. Alternatively, I would offer the following:

Bortuzzo + Strait + TK?/Defensive D Prospect

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12-29-2012, 10:55 AM
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Made me lol. Well done!
Just felt some humour was needed.

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12-29-2012, 11:03 AM
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If I was Shero, Kulemin is someone I would open up the prospect D stable for. Alternatively, I would offer the following:

Bortuzzo + Strait + TK?/Defensive D Prospect
Yuck. No thanks.

I'd want Bennett + tbh.

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12-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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Leafs fans are pretty quick to turn on their own players, an yet very very few Leafs fans have any interest in dealing him for the sake of dealing him. I think that says a lot. Kulemin doesn't have to score to be effective; he's perhaps the Leafs best defensive forward and he hitss like a truck. That being said, I think most educated fans are confident he'll return to 20+ goal a season form.

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12-29-2012, 11:42 AM
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Kulemin is one of the few Leafs I don't want to trade. Puts out a great effort and is by far our best two-way forward.

Also leads his KHL team in +/- (6th highest in the league) and has 30 points in 33 games.

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12-29-2012, 11:58 AM
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Haha I don't really care, you usually just embarrass yourself with your uneducated opinions anyway. Was just wondering what your beef was.
What did i say that was uneducated? youre the one getting emotional and saying things that make no sense. what over the hill players have the flames signed recently exactly?

i understand the blind love you have for the leafs, but theyre losers and brian burke has sold you a bag of crap.

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12-29-2012, 12:02 PM
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He's worth another player who underachieved last season as part of a 'change of environment swap', or a prospect with similar/slightly higher upside + a mid round pick.

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12-29-2012, 12:12 PM
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To the person asking me who else has entire year slumps. here is a list.

Renee Bourque

Ollie Jokinen

Cory Sarich

Scott Gomez

Ryan Getzlaf

Michael Cammaleri

Colby Armstrong

P.K Subban

Luke Schenn

Joffrey Lupul

Francois Beauchamin

Need I continue?

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12-29-2012, 12:49 PM
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Terrible list. Subban? Lupul?? Please, don't continue.

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12-29-2012, 01:16 PM
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12-29-2012, 01:19 PM
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I consider Kulemin one of the main guys you keep on the team. He had a bad year last year but right now in the KHL he is ripping it up, getting his scoring touch back (30 pts in 33 games) and has the best +/- on the team.

He is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, strong as an ox, great skater, responsible and a goal scorer naturally - he is the complete package. I wouldn't even trade him for a mid-late 1st.

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12-29-2012, 01:20 PM
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Spending this lockout in the KHL may have done wonders for him. Currently 30 points in 33 KHL games, scored an easy tap in last night. 12 points in 8 games in December. Guess we will see how he goes when he returns.
He's also centered by Malkin and has Mozyakin, who leads the KHL in goals and points, on the other side

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12-29-2012, 01:22 PM
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He's also centered by Malkin and has Mozyakin, who leads the KHL in goals and points, on the other side
Malkins winger is Kulemin, and Mozyakin has Kulemin on the other side

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12-29-2012, 01:24 PM
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StringerBell Terrible list. Subban? Lupul?? Please, don't continue.
Lupul had a major slump in Anaheim and Subban came off a slump season this past season. No need to be rude and ignorant. Have a little respect if you are going to be a critic.

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12-29-2012, 01:29 PM
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He's also centered by Malkin and has Mozyakin, who leads the KHL in goals and points, on the other side
On the other hand he'd have Malkin and Neal in Pens...

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12-29-2012, 01:31 PM
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Not enough for leaf fans to consider moving him.

His value is low; but his ability and potential with the leafs is high. We have faith.

It is not that it would take a overpayment, but a underpayment wouldn't make it worthwhile.

He would not be a hindrance to any of our top 3 lines.
This is probably the best post you can make about him

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I doubt he scores 30 ever again.
I agree, but 20+ and 40-50 points a year with decent defensive play? He's an asset to most, if not all if he can keep that up.

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And even if he never does he is a big defensively responsible winger with amazing wheels. A great 3rd liner with upside who I wouldn't trade for a 3rd.
I'd say he's a 2nd liner when on his game, but like Dubinsky, if he's on your 1st line or is expected to be relied on to be a top producer on your team, you've got problems offensively.

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Steckel got a 4th and the guy can barely skate. Kulemin will get at least a late 1st+. And I would not trade him for that.
I think Gaborik would ge a late 1st and then some if dealt. I can't see Kulemin getting the same.

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12-29-2012, 01:32 PM
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I love these threads because Kulemin had one bad season and now he's stupidly underrated. I guess Leaf fans had it coming though because after his breakout season he was stupidly overrated.

Truth is, Kulemin can play on the second or third line depending on what you want him to do. Assuming the slump ends, which it looks like it has based on his KHL play, then you can rely on him to score goals on your second line. No, it's likely that 30 goals may have been his career high but he is still good for 25g, 25a territory of scoring. Now here's the part where his value is skyhigh - play him on your third line and you got an awesome, awesome defensive forward who's also 225 pounds and fast as hell. He won't be a 25, 25 guy on the 3rd line but he'll play every other part of the game to a great level and still contribute to scoring.

Kulemin's value should be a late first, IMO. I personally only ever wanted to trade him to Pittsburgh because I thought we could get Jordan Staal out of it and reunite Kulie with Malkin but that ship has sailed.

That being said, the Leafs won't be trading him as with Carlyle's system, it's a pretty safe bet he'll use Kulemin on the shutdown line, as he should.


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12-29-2012, 01:35 PM
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Lupul had a major slump in Anaheim and Subban came off a slump season this past season. No need to be rude and ignorant. Have a little respect if you are going to be a critic.
Subban may have scored a few less goals last year but his defensive play was up.

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12-29-2012, 01:59 PM
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This is probably the best post you can make about him



I agree, but 20+ and 40-50 points a year with decent defensive play? He's an asset to most, if not all if he can keep that up.



I'd say he's a 2nd liner when on his game, but like Dubinsky, if he's on your 1st line or is expected to be relied on to be a top producer on your team, you've got problems offensively.



I think Gaborik would ge a late 1st and then some if dealt. I can't see Kulemin getting the same.
Brouwer and Gaustad got late 1sts... Burke had an offer of a 1st for Kule last year.

There is absolutely no way Kule gets traded for anything less, I guarantee it.

Gaborik is injury prone, expensive, and older, yet he will still fetch at least 2 1sts (value wise)

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12-29-2012, 03:18 PM
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i dont see kulemin being moved but if he did i think people will be surprised at how much it would take.

i dont see burke getting fleeced in a trade for him and he is a quality player. i suspect every team in the league would love to land kulemin. he is a beast. a good teammate, able to chip in offensively and a great 2 way player.

his value might be a mid to late 1st + a prospect but why would burke move him for that.

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He plays along with Malkin and Mozyakin in the KHL. You gotta be really bad not to score playing with these guys.
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He's also centered by Malkin and has Mozyakin, who leads the KHL in goals and points, on the other side

He has also won the MVP in the Russian Super League without Malkin. Also Kuli is now getting some play time away from Malkin with ROR.

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What did i say that was uneducated? youre the one getting emotional and saying things that make no sense. what over the hill players have the flames signed recently exactly?

i understand the blind love you have for the leafs, but theyre losers and brian burke has sold you a bag of crap.
So what you're saying is that Leafs fan should reevaluate their support of the team because they're bad? That's probably the most moronic thing I've ever read on this board. And that's saying something. That's called being a fair weather fan. That's not how sports work champ. That's not how being a fan of anything works. Go troll some other fan base.

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So what you're saying is that Leafs fan should reevaluate their support of the team because they're bad? That's probably the most moronic thing I've ever read on this board. And that's saying something. That's called being a fair weather fan. That's not how sports work champ. That's not how being a fan of anything works. Go troll some other fan base.
Eh he's a consistent one of those leafs bashers.

Just ignore him

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Hey mr realistic leaf,
since when do slumps last entire seasons?
Oh come on, you're actually going to pretend off years don't happen? Am I saying Kulemin is going to be a regular 30 goal guy? No....but it's ridiculous to act like good players have never had down years before.

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