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Couturier + Coburn for Yakupov + Teubert

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12-29-2012, 02:01 PM
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Couturier + Coburn for Yakupov + Teubert

This will be interesting.

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Hell no for the Flyers. The need improved defense, not to trade their two best defensive players for a scoring winger.

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I think it's solid value. Teubert won't amount to anything IMO.

So it's Couts (elite 2nd line C) + Coburn (solid #3 guy) for dynamic goal scoring top line winger

Won't comment on team needs though, since it doesn't really make sense for flyers

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12-29-2012, 02:12 PM
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This is a big no from the Flyers.

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12-29-2012, 02:15 PM
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Flyers need defense.

Proceeds to trade away its best defensive forward and one of their top shutdown guys.

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12-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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I think it's solid value. Teubert won't amount to anything IMO.

So it's Couts (elite 2nd line C) + Coburn (solid #3 guy) for dynamic goal scoring top line winger

Won't comment on team needs though, since it doesn't really make sense for flyers
If Yakupov is a dynamic goal scoring top line winger, than Coburn is a lot better than a solid #3.

This is a very, very easy no for the Flyers. Consensus was pretty clear in previous threads that the overwhelming majority of Flyers fans wouldn't deal Couturier for Yakupov straight up--even if the value is close, it just doesn't make sense.

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12-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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I'm just curious how Couts is a 'Elite 2nd line Center' maybe that's his ceiling but calling him that already?..

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12-29-2012, 02:20 PM
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I'm just curious how Couts is a 'Elite 2nd line Center' maybe that's his ceiling but calling him that already?..
I meant ceilings.

Hence calling Yak a top liner lol

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12-29-2012, 02:26 PM
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No way

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I think a Couturier for Yakupov straight swap is closer in value than this proposal. Perhaps a late 2nd round pick to even it out.

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I'm just curious how Couts is a 'Elite 2nd line Center' maybe that's his ceiling but calling him that already?..
That's the characterization you found odd? Not the part about Yakupov being a top-line winger?

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I meant ceilings.

Hence calling Yak a top liner lol
Coburn is already the Flyers second best defenseman. Calling him a #3 doesn't really make a lot of sense. He'll never produce enough offensively to be a bonafide #1, but he's comfortably a #2.

There's really no reason for the Flyers to even consider this. The value is quite poor, it meets zero organizational needs, and it creates more holes that it fills.

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12-29-2012, 02:29 PM
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I think the Flyers do this. Yak's getting underrated on HF these days.

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12-29-2012, 02:30 PM
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No shot from a Flyers POV. I personally believe that Couturier will be the best player on the Flyers in 3-5 years. He shouldn't be dealt for anything other than massive overpayment and the Flyers are getting bent over in this deal.

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12-29-2012, 02:40 PM
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Big no from Philly.

Our #1 nned is defense, so trading Coburn is a no go. On top of getting rid of our best defensive forward (it really isn't even close), and we'd have to score 7-8 goals a game to win.


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12-29-2012, 02:42 PM
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The deal doesn't make much sense from a Flyer's POV. They need more defense, not to trade away the defense they have.

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I think a Couturier for Yakupov straight swap is closer in value than this proposal. Perhaps a late 2nd round pick to even it out.
No... No its not.

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12-29-2012, 03:10 PM
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Flyers say no.

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12-29-2012, 03:23 PM
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At this point, I'm beginning to think Flyers wouldnt even trade Couterier for Stamkos. Quickly becoming most overrated player on HF.

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At this point, I'm beginning to think Flyers wouldnt even trade Couterier for Stamkos. Quickly becoming most overrated player on HF.
Agreed. I wanted him for a long time, up until a couple months before the draft, and I'm still a fan, but this is getting ridiculous

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At this point, I'm beginning to think Flyers wouldnt even trade Couterier for Stamkos. Quickly becoming most overrated player on HF.
Because Yakupov = Stamkos

The Flyers struggle defensively as a team. We don't have many good defensemen, nor do we have really any good defensive forwards outside of Couturier. He was just a rookie last season, and he brings to the flyers help at their biggest weakness by far. So no, we aren't thrilled at trading him.

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12-29-2012, 03:30 PM
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No... No its not.
This. Exactly

Couturier > Yakupov

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At this point, I'm beginning to think Flyers wouldnt even trade Couterier for Stamkos. Quickly becoming most overrated player on HF.
This.

Flyers probably don't do that because they lose a ton of their defensive presence.

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At this point, I'm beginning to think Flyers wouldnt even trade Couterier for Stamkos. Quickly becoming most overrated player on HF.
As an 18 year old, his defensive play was the best out of ANY Flyers forward.

He was such an invaluable piece last year.

"Sean Couturier looked like he belonged in the NHL almost from day 1. His coach seemed to agree, and Couturier was trusted to play in high-leverage defensive situations despite the fact that he was "just" an 18 year old rookie. Couturier was often on the ice against the other teamís first or second scoring line at even strength, and was often paired with fellow rookie Matt Read on the teamís first or second PK unit. This kind of usage for an 18 year old rookie has to be pretty rare."

http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Resea...harts_2012.pdf



He averaged almost 3:00 mins (2:41 exactly) of PK time a game last year. For comparison, the next highest 2011 draft rookie was Landeskog at 1:20 per game.

9th in rookie scoring while primarily playing with bottom 6 linemates (most frequent linemates were Talbot and Rinaldo last year).

He hasn't even scratched the surface of his offensive potential. His offense is continuously underrated because he "only" put up 27 points last year, but a lot of times people don't understand the situation he was in.

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This.

Flyers probably don't do that because they lose a ton of their defensive presence.
The same could be said for Kreider.

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This. Exactly

Couturier > Yakupov

AINEC
Lol no...

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