Wow. Too small, too slow, and a possible attitude problem now? Not that I really blame him too much for wanting off that team, its not a good thing to do half way through your draft year
his brother Jesse is known to be a bit of a "hot head" too... he asked for a trade in the off season and was sent to Seattle. Sounds like these Forsberg boys have a bit of attitude problems
PG should let him sit... crazy how 17 year old kids demand trades. Let him stay home and it will ruin his draft year this year.
His future and 10's of thousands of dollars are at stake with his draft position. He is 17 in grade 12 living a long, long ways from Waldheim, Saskatchewan in a pretty crappy city with a crappy culture and complete lack of winning environment. Prince George is a prospect graveyard and Dean Clark is a buffoon, I can't really blame his family for looking out for him in this case.
His future and 10's of thousands of dollars are at stake with his draft position. He is 17 in grade 12 living a long, long ways from Waldheim, Saskatchewan in a pretty crappy city with a crappy culture and complete lack of winning environment. Prince George is a prospect graveyard and Dean Clark is a buffoon, I can't really blame his family for looking out for him in this case.
We also don't know the entire story right now.
Exactly people forget that they would not want to be treated this way in real life either.
Just imagine that there was a "draft" for everyone in every profession, 99% of the people on here saying man the kid is lucky to play should just shut up and play where he gets the chance, would not accept the same treatment in their own life.
In reality when we get upset about players doing this we are putting our needs and the owners of any club that subscribes to a draft needs ahead of the players. In fact the players are just pieces of meat in a system.
teams like PG and Seattle for example need to attract players to their organizations not just expect compliance IMO.
Wow. Too small, too slow, and a possible attitude problem now? Not that I really blame him too much for wanting off that team, its not a good thing to do half way through your draft year
it's really not all that unusual for players to want off horrible teams - if rumours are true, several members of the petes want out. tavares asked to be traded during his draft year - and i think huberdeau has told SJ that he wants to be traded. i wouldn't be too quick to make character judgements.
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His future and 10's of thousands of dollars are at stake with his draft position. He is 17 in grade 12 living a long, long ways from Waldheim, Saskatchewan in a pretty crappy city with a crappy culture and complete lack of winning environment. Prince George is a prospect graveyard and Dean Clark is a buffoon, I can't really blame his family for looking out for him in this case.
We also don't know the entire story right now.
i agree. when teams have systemic problems they should look at fixing them so they're more desirable places to play. i know some teams have a geographic disadvantage - and sometimes prospects will refuse to go to them at all - but forsberg has put in a year and a half there...so you can't say he didn't try.
guarenteed he gets dealt to Seattle and is reunited with his brother. Seattle has NO good 17 year old forwards in their system playing. They do have an abundance of 17 year old dmen on their team tho(5 of them)
PG is probably the worst place for one to play junior hockey in the CHL. It's been a losing environment for over five years now and I remember Charles Inglis said something along the lines of management treating the players poorly. We should keep in mind that both Forsberg brothers came into the WHL as very good 16-year-olds and their games deteriorated as their careers with PG progressed. One should also note that Jesse Forsberg has played much better ever since he was traded out of PG so perhaps the problem is with the organization and not with Alex Forsberg himself.
How's his team mate Zach Pochiro been? My little brother was linemates with him here in Vegas
I live in PG, but i've only been to a few games this year so far, but at the start of the season he looked good, really good...he was relentless in the games i saw him in (and i was watching him closely after i found out where he was from, since it is really unusual to see somebody from Vegas playing hockey, let alone playing way up here).
I havent been to a game in probably about a month though, so i cant say how he's doing lately...i'll be going to the occasional game the rest of the season (really want to see the games against Portland in february, i really want to see Jones play to see what the hype is about).
it's really not all that unusual for players to want off horrible teams - if rumours are true, several members of the petes want out. tavares asked to be traded during his draft year - and i think huberdeau has told SJ that he wants to be traded. i wouldn't be too quick to make character judgements.
Not true for Huberdeau. But trade requests happen quite often in the QMJHL as in the rest of the CHL. Basically, I agree with your point.
Wow. Too small, too slow, and a possible attitude problem now? Not that I really blame him too much for wanting off that team, its not a good thing to do half way through your draft year
Drouin and MacKinnon didn't want to play for Rouyn and Baie-Comeau and I don't think they have attitude problems.
Not true for Huberdeau. But trade requests happen quite often in the QMJHL as in the rest of the CHL. Basically, I agree with your point.
sorry, my bad.
in any event - it's not rare for players to demand trades when they're in bad situations. as serge pointed out, there are players who refuse to report (MacKinnon, Domi, potentially Barzal - Noel's another player to look out re how he plays the Q draft) - and there are some players who game the drafts by telling teams in advance to not bother drafting them b/c they won't show (Hall, Seguin, Reinhart, many others).
i wouldn't make character judgments re Forsberg b/c he wants out.
as an aside - i wouldn't be surprised if, come draft day, McDavid is on another team.
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PG is probably the worst place for one to play junior hockey in the CHL. It's been a losing environment for over five years now and I remember Charles Inglis said something along the lines of management treating the players poorly. We should keep in mind that both Forsberg brothers came into the WHL as very good 16-year-olds and their games deteriorated as their careers with PG progressed. One should also note that Jesse Forsberg has played much better ever since he was traded out of PG so perhaps the problem is with the organization and not with Alex Forsberg himself.
Funny you relate him to his brother and Charles Inglis, both hot head with attitude issues.
Inglis 4 WHL teams, currently plying his trade in the AJHL after being released by Red Deer and Kamloops this season.
I'm a firm believer cream rises, Brett Connolly rose.
it's really not all that unusual for players to want off horrible teams - if rumours are true, several members of the petes want out. tavares asked to be traded during his draft year - and i think huberdeau has told SJ that he wants to be traded. i wouldn't be too quick to make character judgements.
i agree. when teams have systemic problems they should look at fixing them so they're more desirable places to play. i know some teams have a geographic disadvantage - and sometimes prospects will refuse to go to them at all - but forsberg has put in a year and a half there...so you can't say he didn't try.
I'm pretty sure Tavares was asked by Oshawa to be traded, not the other way around.
I'm pretty sure Tavares was asked by Oshawa to be traded, not the other way around.
i remember it being played that way - w/ tavares magnanimously agreeing to waive a "no trade" clause to go to london or something to that effect ...but i'm not sure that that's how it actually went down.
in any event...topic? does anyone who sees a lot of forsberg have a sense of where he might reasonably be expect to go in the draft?
I follow Corey Pronman on twitter (@coreypronman) and he's very good at constantly responding to prospect questions. someone asked him about forsberg today and this was his response:
Corey Pronman @coreypronman
He's really skilled, but development hasn't gone as hoped. RT @TheLawlmaster: @coreypronman what do you think of alex forsberg?
does ^^ sound right to those who've been watching forsberg?
Yes. He is very smart on the ice with really good offensive tools. Skating isn't pretty. Bit weak defensively. A worse skating version on Michael St. Croix. Perimeter players with tons of skill, but there games might not translate at the next level.
Forsberg could be a really good WHL player if put in the right situation. I could see him going to PA.
Funny you relate him to his brother and Charles Inglis, both hot head with attitude issues.
Inglis 4 WHL teams, currently plying his trade in the AJHL after being released by Red Deer and Kamloops this season.
I'm a firm believer cream rises, Brett Connolly rose.
That's only one example out of many. It seems that many top prospects who go to PG are destined to fail. They include guys like Ryan Kerr and Dale Hunt from back in the day as well, both high draft choices but failed miserably in PG. So is PG really that terrible at drafting or is their development system flawed? I'm going with the latter.
His future and 10's of thousands of dollars are at stake with his draft position. He is 17 in grade 12 living a long, long ways from Waldheim, Saskatchewan in a pretty crappy city with a crappy culture and complete lack of winning environment. Prince George is a prospect graveyard and Dean Clark is a buffoon, I can't really blame his family for looking out for him in this case.
We also don't know the entire story right now.
He should have just sucked it up and stuck it out. Doing what he did is only going to hurt his standing in the draft.
Only good reason for him to leave is health reasons/personal safety.
Exactly people forget that they would not want to be treated this way in real life either.
Just imagine that there was a "draft" for everyone in every profession, 99% of the people on here saying man the kid is lucky to play should just shut up and play where he gets the chance, would not accept the same treatment in their own life.
In reality when we get upset about players doing this we are putting our needs and the owners of any club that subscribes to a draft needs ahead of the players. In fact the players are just pieces of meat in a system.
teams like PG and Seattle for example need to attract players to their organizations not just expect compliance IMO.
Rant over
And how do you expect them to do that exactly? Especially when the top picks can take their ball and go home demanding a trade or even refuse to report in the first place, or pre-emptively tell the team not to pick you because you wont report if they do.
PG is probably the worst place for one to play junior hockey in the CHL. It's been a losing environment for over five years now and I remember Charles Inglis said something along the lines of management treating the players poorly. We should keep in mind that both Forsberg brothers came into the WHL as very good 16-year-olds and their games deteriorated as their careers with PG progressed. One should also note that Jesse Forsberg has played much better ever since he was traded out of PG so perhaps the problem is with the organization and not with Alex Forsberg himself.
Charles Inglis is a donkey who has bounced around the WHL and currently finds himself without a team, despite being sent home as Red Deer's leading scorer at the time. You do the math.
Yes. He is very smart on the ice with really good offensive tools. Skating isn't pretty. Bit weak defensively. A worse skating version on Michael St. Croix. Perimeter players with tons of skill, but there games might not translate at the next level.
Forsberg could be a really good WHL player if put in the right situation. I could see him going to PA.
Forsberg wishes he could be like Michael St Croix. Not bloody likely. Doesnt have a fraction of the work ethic and St Croix stuck it out with a bad team and didnt go home and cry for a trade like Alex did.
Forsberg wishes he could be like Michael St Croix. Not bloody likely. Doesnt have a fraction of the work ethic and St Croix stuck it out with a bad team and didnt go home and cry for a trade like Alex did.
It was more of a style comparison. And don't tell me you think Edmonton is a worse franchise than PG. Good franchises can have bad teams.
Damn, i think he removed his twitter account (forsberg) i read a few posts last night. One struck me re. His personality, true statement or not. But paraphrasing him, second last tweet was regarding how boring prince george is and what there was to do after checking fb, twitter and tumbler.
And how do you expect them to do that exactly? Especially when the top picks can take their ball and go home demanding a trade or even refuse to report in the first place, or pre-emptively tell the team not to pick you because you wont report if they do.
Teams can make trades, the bottom line is that often teams are mismanaged and we just expect players to fall into line.
I made the observation that most posters who think that players should just fall into line wouldn't want a "draft and tell you where you will ply your trade from 16-20" before you are "drafted" into your adult job.
Remember Slavery?
I don't know what you do for a living but how would you like to be treated that way?
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