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Group B • Dec. 30 • Canada 2, United States 1

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Canada in regulation 163 60.59%
Canada in OT/shootout 31 11.52%
U.S. in regulation 64 23.79%
U.S. in OT/shootout 11 4.09%
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12-29-2012, 10:31 PM
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Suck it Yanks!

We Canadians are doin' something you guys didn't have the guts to do...

Invade Russia and Win!!!!
To be fair, the US did slow play it pretty well and win. Maybe they learned a lesson from 1812, don't invade big, cold countries. (I'm looking at you Napoleon)

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12-29-2012, 10:32 PM
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With Finland possible finishing 2nd in their pool, I wonder if finishing 1st in our pool is all that advantageous. Think about it...

Whoever finishes 1st (in Canada's pool) has to play the winner of the Fins (assuming they end up 2nd) vs the 3rd place team in our pool - in the semis.

Whoever finished 2nd (in Canada's pool), likely plays the Czechs and then Sweden - assuming the Swedes finish 1st in Pool A.

I know there is a bye when you finish 1st but the Gold medal game may be a tougher road. A million things can happen between now and then but...
I'm just saying a loss (either Sunday or Monday) is not the end of the world.
i'm hoping we finish second because i would love a canada vs russia/usa final.

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12-29-2012, 10:42 PM
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i'm hoping we finish second because i would love a canada vs russia/usa final.
I am hoping we finish second because we would smoke the Czechs, beat a weakened Swedish team and then face a tough (but worn down) team in the Gold Medal game - whoever it is.

Whatever we do, we just can't finsih 3rd. Of course, all of what I said is out the window if the Fins beat Sweden on NYE.

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12-29-2012, 10:45 PM
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Canada has the better offense, but US has the better D and goaltending. Standing by how a lot of teams work, a great defense and goaltending effort will have a better chance of winning. USA either late in regulation (winning goal) or in OT/Shootout. I'm saying up to watch it. No point in going to sleep now.

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12-29-2012, 10:47 PM
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With Finland possible finishing 2nd in their pool, I wonder if finishing 1st in our pool is all that advantageous. Think about it...

Whoever finishes 1st (in Canada's pool) has to play the winner of the Fins (assuming they end up 2nd) vs the 3rd place team in our pool - in the semis.
Whoever finished 2nd (in Canada's pool), likely plays the Czechs and then Sweden - assuming the Swedes finish 1st in Pool A. An easier road!!!
So, assuming Finland finishes 2nd in Pool A, in Canada's pool...

Finishing 1st may mean 2 tough games to win Gold.
Finishing 2nd may mean 2 easy games and 1 tough game to win Gold.
Finishing 3rd may mean 3 tough games to win Gold.


I'm just saying a loss (either Sunday or Monday) is not the end of the world - but finishing 3rd is. Am I making sense???
It's more than this tho. In a 7 game series the best team wins, but in this tourney format anything can happen in one game. So even in meaningless round robin games like this its about sending a message to other countries, asserting your dominance, and proving you are better. Who cares what the game means, lets just beat the USA!

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Do we have a list of each Canada and US players and whose prospect they are?
Not sure. But I'll make one.

Canada:

Jordan Binnington-Blues
Jake Paterson-Red Wings
Malcolm Subban -Bruins
Dougie Hamilton-Bruins
Anthony Camara-Bruins

Scott Harrington-Penguins
Ryan Murphy-Canes
Xavier Ouellet-Red Wings
Griffin Reinhart-Islanders
Morgan Rielly-Leafs
Tyler Wotherspoon-Flames


Phillip Danault-Blackhawks
Jonathan Drouin- Eligible in 2013
Jonathan Huberdeau-Panthers
Boone Jenner-Blue Jackets
J.C. Lipon-Undrafted
Nathan MacKinnon-Eligible in 2013
Mark McNeill-Hawks
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-Oilers
Ty Rattie -Blues
Brett Ritchie-Stars
Mark Scheifele-Winnipeg
Ryan Strome-Islanders



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John Gibson-Anaheim
Jon Gillies-Flames
Garret Sparks-Leafs
Shayne Gostisbehere-Flyers
Seth Jones- Eligible in 2013
Jake McCabe-Sabres
Connor Murphy-Phoenix
Mike Reilly-Blue Jackets
Patrick Sieloff-Flames
Jacob Trouba-Winnipeg
Cole Bardreau-Free Agent
Riley Barber-Capitals


Tyler Biggs-Toronto
Alex Galchenyuk-Habs
John Gaudreau-Flames
Rocco Grimaldi-Panthers
Ryan Hartman- Eligible in 2013
Sean Kuraly-Sharks

Mario Lucia-Wild
J.T. Miller- Rangers
Blake Pietila-Devils
Vince Trocheck- Panthers
Jim Vesey- Preds


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12-29-2012, 10:48 PM
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Canada has the better offense, but US has the better D and goaltending. I'm saying up to watch it. No point in going to sleep now.
I disagree with the "but US has the better D" comment. They don't. I am going to try and get 4 hours of sleep.

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12-29-2012, 10:51 PM
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It's more than this tho. In a 7 game series the best team wins, but in this tourney format anything can happen in one game. So even in meaningless round robin games like this its about sending a message to other countries, asserting your dominance, and proving you are better. Who cares what the game means, lets just beat the USA!
I disagree. If I was a Swedish player (in Turin) in 2006, I would have thrown the game (like they did) to avoid Canada. Slow and steady wins the race in life - when possible, take the path of least resistance.

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12-29-2012, 10:52 PM
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Not sure. But I'll make one.

Canada:

Jordan Binnington-Blues
Jake Paterson-Red Wings
Malcolm Subban -Bruins
Dougie Hamilton-Bruins
Anthony Camara-Bruins

Scott Harrington-Penguins
Ryan Murphy-Canes
Xavier Ouellet-Red Wings
Griffin Reinhart-Islanders
Morgan Rielly-Leafs
Tyler Wotherspoon-Flames


Phillip Danault-Blackhawks
Jonathan Drouin- Eligible in 2013
Jonathan Huberdeau-Panthers
Boone Jenner-Blue Jackets
J.C. Lipon-Undrafted
Nathan MacKinnon-Eligible in 2013
Mark McNeill-Hawks
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-Oilers
Ty Rattie -Blues
Brett Ritchie-Stars
Mark Scheifele-Winnipeg
Ryan Strome-Islanders
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12-29-2012, 10:54 PM
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You can't compare how many goals one team put in to what another team will do. Obviously Canada will play USA A LOT harder than they played either of those teams. They're going to be more focused and play a much tougher game.
I hope so but I have my doubts. There were a lot of own zone fire drills in those first 2 games.

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I think the Russian team is better than Canada offensively and defensively. We outplayed them despite losing 2-1. Canada will always be prone to allowing goals with their inept blueline and guaranteed boneheaded penalties, which gives hope if Gibson plays on par to what he has thus far and if the PP shows up.

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12-29-2012, 10:57 PM
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I've watched both games for both teams, as well as several camp scrimmages etc. Here are some thoughts about the upcoming tilt:

Goaltending:
Gibson is a beast capable of stealing the game if the US defence is able to eliminate rebound chances and unstoppable shots from in close. I'm still not convinced his hip is 100% though, so for me thats definitely a concern. He's a rock mentally and so damn consistent at rising to the big moment, so assuming his hip is indeed near 100% I expect US to receive world class goaltending.

Subban is also capable of stealing a game, but he's not as mentally strong as Gibson. He's equally gifted, but more susceptible to bad goals and melting after a bad goal at this stage in his career. I think he will have a strong game given the lack ifs US high end firepower, but there's always the risk he lets in a bad goal or two. He's capable of outplaying Gibson, but he likely will not. If I am Spott I'd have him on a short leash, 2 questionable goals and Binnington gets the nod.

Advantage USA.

Defence:

IMO both teams defensive squads have underachieved thus far, these are the #1 and #2 squads in the tourney. Canada had the advantage on paper, but the US also has an extremely mobile core with a stud in Jones. I think Canada's d core is just to overwhelming for the US to beat though, far too mobile. The US offence is built around speed, but Canada's defence will be up to the challenge as all their dmen are excellent skaters. Canada is an untapped beast in Hamilton, Seth Jones had a tough outing against Russia. Both will bounce back, but Hamilton is further along in his development and will have a bigger impact on the game. Really likely Reilly, Jones, and Trouba for the US, but after that the pedigree drops. For Canada you have 6 high end guys, and depth is key.

Advantage Canada


Offense:
Canada has superior offensive firepower and it's not even close. Huberdeau and specifically RNH are on other level compared to any other forwards in this tournament. After that you've got three lines that with a lot of size and skill that can score. The US on the other hand has a really strong player in Galchenyuk, and a wildcard in Gaudreau, but after that there's not a lot of high end offensive talent. I just don't see how the lack of offensive firepower up front for the US can be fixed tbh...

Advantage Canada, big time.

Overall:

If US wants to have a chance in this game Gibson will have to stand on his head, Galchenyuk and Gaudreau will have to engage beast mode, and the US defence will need to not only contain the two best forwards in the tournement but also drive the offence and create scoring chances. I just think Canada is too deep at forward and D though, too much talent to be contained, so as long as Subban plays OK this one should be dictated by Canada.

Prediction: Canada wins 4-2
Hi SolidSnake:

I agree with the analysis above.

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How can Lipon be un-drafted and be on team Canada? Is he eligible later?

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How can Lipon be un-drafted and be on team Canada? Is he eligible later?
That kid LA drafted...whats his name....Tanner Pearson.

Similar situation.

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How can Lipon be un-drafted and be on team Canada? Is he eligible later?
No, hence why some people are upset he's on the team.

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That kid LA drafted...whats his name....Tanner Pearson.

Similar situation.
So he will re-enter the next draft?

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Canada has the better offense, but US has the better D and goaltending. Standing by how a lot of teams work, a great defense and goaltending effort will have a better chance of winning. USA either late in regulation (winning goal) or in OT/Shootout. I'm saying up to watch it. No point in going to sleep now.
Lol, the Canadian D is easily superior.

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Not sure. But I'll make one.

Canada:

Jordan Binnington-Blues
Jake Paterson-Red Wings
Malcolm Subban -Bruins
Dougie Hamilton-Bruins
Anthony Camara-Bruins

Scott Harrington-Penguins
Ryan Murphy-Canes
Xavier Ouellet-Red Wings
Griffin Reinhart-Islanders
Morgan Rielly-Leafs
Tyler Wotherspoon-Flames


Phillip Danault-Blackhawks
Jonathan Drouin- Eligible in 2013
Jonathan Huberdeau-Panthers
Boone Jenner-Blue Jackets
J.C. Lipon-Undrafted
Nathan MacKinnon-Eligible in 2013
Mark McNeill-Hawks
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-Oilers
Ty Rattie -Blues
Brett Ritchie-Stars
Mark Scheifele-Winnipeg
Ryan Strome-Islanders
I'll do one for the USA:

Alex Galchenyuk (MTL)
Johnny Gaudreau (CGY)
Rocco Grimaldo (FLA)
JT Miller (NYR)
Ryan Hartman (2013 eligible)
Riley Barber (WSH)
Vince Trochek (FLA)
Jim Vesey (NSH)
Mario Lucia (MIN)
Blake Pietila (NJD)
Sean Kuarly (SJS)
Tyler Biggs (TOR)

Jake McCabe (BUF)
Seth Jones (2013 eligible)
Jacob Trouba (WPG)
Patrick Sieloff (CGY)
Mike Reilly (CBJ)
Shayne Gostisbehere (PHI)
Connor Murphy (PHX)

John Gibson (ANA)
Jon Gillies (CGY)
Garrett Sparks (TOR)

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Lol, the Canadian D is easily superior.
Don't really know how you can say that considering the US has given up less goals.

But to each their own.

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So he will re-enter the next draft?
Yes, will re-enter as a double overager, won't go as high as Pearson.

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GO CANADA GO!!!!


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Do we have a list of each Canada and US players and whose prospect they are?
USA

Sparks-Toronto
Gibson-Anaheim
Gillies-Calgary

Trouba-Winnipeg
Reilly-Colorado
Murphy-Phoneix
McCabe-Buffalo
Jones-2013
Gostisbehere-Philadelphia

Vessy-Nashville
Trocheck-Florida
Pietalla-New Jersey
Miller-New York
Lucia-Minnesota
Kuraly-San Jose
Hartman-2013
Garudeau-Calgary
Galchenyuk-Montreal
Blackwell-San Jose
Biggs-Toronto
Bardreau-Undrafted

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Don't really know how you can say that considering the US has given up less goals.

But to each their own.
On paper, Canada has the better D. However, they have underperformed and not gelled as well as everyone hoped. Hamilton has been a dog with fleas.

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Canada has the better offense, but US has the better D and goaltending. Standing by how a lot of teams work, a great defense and goaltending effort will have a better chance of winning. USA either late in regulation (winning goal) or in OT/Shootout. I'm saying up to watch it. No point in going to sleep now.
The US does not have a better D than Canada.... That last 10 minute stretch after the Russian timeout man the US D men were being burned by Russia, but goaltending the US might have an edge this coming from a Bruins/London fan

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