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12-29-2012, 11:40 PM
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To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard

To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th


Basically a swap of struggling players.

For Us: Brassard brings decent size, decent speed, and is a good two-way player. He can play either C or W. And since he known as a "pass-first" player he might be the solution on the 2nd line with Kes and Booth or else he can play on the third since he is reliable defensively.

For CBJ: Since CBJ got Anisimov and Dubinsky they have enough center's to fill Brassard's spot (And they also have Johansen, Prospal and Umberger who can play C) Raymond brings more speed to there line-up (Which doesn't have a ton of top notch speed), then Rodin is the sweetener who will get much better opportunities in Columbus.

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12-30-2012, 12:15 AM
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To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard

To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th


Basically a swap of struggling players.

For Us: Brassard brings decent size, decent speed, and is a good two-way player. He can play either C or W. And since he known as a "pass-first" player he might be the solution on the 2nd line with Kes and Booth or else he can play on the third since he is reliable defensively.

For CBJ: Since CBJ got Anisimov and Dubinsky they have enough center's to fill Brassard's spot (And they also have Johansen, Prospal and Umberger who can play C) Raymond brings more speed to there line-up (Which doesn't have a ton of top notch speed), then Rodin is the sweetener who will get much better opportunities in Columbus.
So basically Columbus downgrades to a tweener with a year left on his contract for two pieces with next to no value whatsoever?

Sign me up.

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12-30-2012, 12:21 AM
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Raymond, Kassian , 1st for Corey Perry.

Schneider for Bolland, 1st.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Perry
Higgins-Bolland-Hansen
Lapierre-Malhotra-Jensen/Weise
Schroeder(call up)

Edler-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Corrado(call up)

Luongo
Lack

Yeah, it's Chicago, but eff that, I want a cup.

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12-30-2012, 12:28 AM
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Raymond, Kassian , 1st for Corey Perry.

Schneider for Bolland, 1st.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Perry
Higgins-Bolland-Hansen
Lapierre-Malhotra-Jensen/Weise
Schroeder(call up)

Edler-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Corrado(call up)

Luongo
Lack

Yeah, it's Chicago, but eff that, I want a cup.
No way I give up Kassian and our 1st for less than 50 games of Perry. (he's not re-signing here, Canucks cant afford him)

And if we're giving a goalie to Chicago, I'd want one of Kane, Sharp, or Hossa in return. We're fixing a rival's biggest weakness, so why should we only get a 3rd line center?

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12-30-2012, 12:39 AM
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No way I give up Kassian and our 1st for less than 50 games of Perry. (he's not re-signing here, Canucks cant afford him)

And if we're giving a goalie to Chicago, I'd want one of Kane, Sharp, or Hossa in return. We're fixing a rival's biggest weakness, so why should we only get a 3rd line center?
There's no reason why we couldn't re-sign Perry, and it's likely we could talk to pre-arrange an extention beforehand.

As for Schneider, we'd be filling our greatest hole too. 3rd line C who's proven to up his game in the playoffs, as well as replacing our 1st in a deep draft.

Not trading players to rivals is overblown, imo. Not to mention there's no way we get an established top-line player for Schneider. An elite 3C plus what will likely be a solid prospect is fair value, imo, and fits our needs to a tee.

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12-30-2012, 12:46 AM
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There's no reason why we couldn't re-sign Perry, and it's likely we could talk to pre-arrange an extention beforehand.

As for Schneider, we'd be filling our greatest hole too. 3rd line C who's proven to up his game in the playoffs, as well as replacing our 1st in a deep draft.

Not trading players to rivals is overblown, imo. Not to mention there's no way we get an established top-line player for Schneider. An elite 3C plus what will likely be a solid prospect is fair value, imo, and fits our needs to a tee.
I've spent a lot of time looking at our cap situation in 2013/14, and I recommend you do the same.
Realistically, we could only re-sign Perry if we let Edler walk, which would be a huge mistake. We don't NEED a player like Perry (we only need a good 2nd line winger), however we need Edler (a top pairing d-man).
Keeping Perry and letting Edler walk leaves a giant hole on defense.

Kassian will be very valuable to the Canucks in 2013/14, as he could step up to be a top 6 winger, and his cap hit will be under $1 mil.


Bolland hates the Sedins/Canucks. A starting goalie is a much bigger role than a 3rd line center. Saying a very good starting goalie is the same value-wise as a very good 3rd line center is laughable.

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FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alex Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Corey Perry ($6.000m)
xxx / xxx / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
xxx / xxx / xxx

DEFENSEMEN
Alex Edler ($5.000m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
xxx / xxx

GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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SALARY CAP: $60,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,750,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (13-man roster): $3,250,000

So how do you plan on getting a full roster with Perry and Edler signed?

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12-30-2012, 07:04 AM
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My god the lack of hockey (no pun) is killing me. Before I venture back to my thesis land, here are the things I would like to happen. I want to believe:

Luongo for Drew Shore, Alex Petrovic, 1st.
Ballard, Ebbett for Frans Nielsen, Marty Reasoner (salary relief for Isles, on a 1-year-deal).
Raymond for a good quality back-up goalie/other assets.
Sign Jim Vandermeer.

Next season:
Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Nielsen - Jensen/Hansen
Malhotra - Lapierre - Hansen/Weise/Reasoner

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Vandermeer
Garrison - Tanev

Schneider
Rynnas

The year after that:
Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Nielsen - Jensen
Gaunce/Lapierre - Lapierre/Shore - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Petrovic
Garrison - Tanev

Schneider
Rynnas/Lack

Yeaaaah


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12-30-2012, 12:54 PM
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My god the lack of hockey (no pun) is killing me. Before I venture back to my thesis land, here are the things I would like to happen. I want to believe:

Luongo for Drew Shore, Alex Petrovic, 1st.
Ballard, Ebbett for Frans Nielsen, Marty Reasoner (salary relief for Isles, on a 1-year-deal).
Raymond for a good quality back-up goalie/other assets.
Sign Jim Vandermeer.

Next season:
Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Nielsen - Jensen/Hansen
Malhotra - Lapierre - Hansen/Weise/Reasoner

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Vandermeer
Garrison - Tanev

Schneider
Rynnas

The year after that:
Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Nielsen - Jensen
Gaunce/Lapierre - Lapierre/Shore - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Petrovic
Garrison - Tanev

Schneider
Rynnas/Lack

Yeaaaah
Most realistic deal so far. I like it.

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12-30-2012, 01:07 PM
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I'd be a little disappointed with those returns, but then again, it's a balance with the people asking for Kovalchuk for Luongo from the Devils, or even Kessel for Lu+. More futures oriented then I'd want, thats what I think my hang up is about those trades.

Then again, Ballard for Nielsen isn't bad at all. Would the Isles faithful go for that though?

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12-30-2012, 03:14 PM
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I'd be a little disappointed with those returns, but then again, it's a balance with the people asking for Kovalchuk for Luongo from the Devils, or even Kessel for Lu+. More futures oriented then I'd want, thats what I think my hang up is about those trades.

Then again, Ballard for Nielsen isn't bad at all. Would the Isles faithful go for that though?
Based on my limited ability to determine what would solve our third line problems, Nielsen has always been my #1 solution and an Isles fan starting a thread about getting a great Dman for Nielsen+other good assets got me thinking about it again. I would even consider adding Raymond to the trade with an Isles prospect that is a year or two away, but adding both Ballard and Raymond in the initial offer would've made it too tempting for bashers. Me hoping to get Joensuu, would've, too. I'm dying to get another Finn on board!

Valuewise, though, I consider Nielsen-for-Ballard a good fit, it's just that Nielsen is so well liked by the Isle fans they aren't keen on seeing him go.. but in the end The Isles do need one reliable, veteran defenseman, and we need a third-line center so we can finally stop talking about Schroeder and just let him take his time.

I'd also consider getting two prospects for Luongo that are 1+ years away a good deal for us. Kassian is pushed towards graduation next year and Jensen is another potential one for that purpose, so Top 6 spots are tight for prospects that aren't surefire (and those we ain't getting, see: trade value discussion with Florida fans) .. but Shore and Petrovic ain't sloutches themselves. The defense is also pretty much set, and the bottom pairing lacks a veteran presence that should be available from the UFA market, without a need to trade assets.

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Lets talk about UFAs that might become available if they're bought out in amnesty agreement.

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I'd be a little disappointed with those returns, but then again, it's a balance with the people asking for Kovalchuk for Luongo from the Devils, or even Kessel for Lu+. More futures oriented then I'd want, thats what I think my hang up is about those trades.

Then again, Ballard for Nielsen isn't bad at all. Would the Isles faithful go for that though?
I know the Isle's fans love Nielsen, solid player that would be a great fit on our third line.

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Montreal fans seem to approve of Gaunce+1st for Plekanec. It's against my last post to drop that much in the way of futures, but...it's Tomas freakin' Plekanec without subtracting from our roster. They asked for Raymond, for a small + on their part (or Kaberle), so we move him and Alberts...bam, we have room for him.

Gaunce+1st+Raymond for Plekanec+2nd(3rd?).

Luongo trade it up, say Lupul+Kadri+2nd.

Ballard for Nielsen.

Drop Alberts to the Wolves.

Boom, winning roster with hilarious depth.

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Totally—there should be some great buy low opportunities out there that we need to be ready to jump on.

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Montreal fans seem to approve of Gaunce+1st for Plekanec. It's against my last post to drop that much in the way of futures, but...it's Tomas freakin' Plekanec without subtracting from our roster. They asked for Raymond, for a small + on their part (or Kaberle), so we move him and Alberts...bam, we have room for him.

Gaunce+1st+Raymond for Plekanec+2nd(3rd?).

Luongo trade it up, say Lupul+Kadri+2nd.

Ballard for Nielsen.

Drop Alberts to the Wolves.

Boom, winning roster with hilarious depth.
Who is playing defense?
That leaves us with 5 NHL d-men, and gives us an unnecessary amount of forward depth. One of Booth/Higgins/Hansen would be playing on the 4th line.

(I doubt we get Lupul AND Kadri for Luongo, and we will probably have to add something to Ballard to get Nielsen)

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Who is playing defense?
That leaves us with 5 NHL d-men, and gives us an unnecessary amount of forward depth. One of Booth/Higgins/Hansen would be playing on the 4th line.

(I doubt we get Lupul AND Kadri for Luongo, and we will probably have to add something to Ballard to get Nielsen)
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Edler
Joslin/Connauton-Tanev
Connauton-Joslin

I wouldn't call Joslin any worse, or better, then Alberts, but he's cheaper. However, I was basing that set of trades on $65 million cap, but I forgot about Nielsen's raise. So we can scratch that, keep Ballard, and keep our defensive pairings as is, and replaces the more expensive Alberts for Joslin, or just keep AA.

But ok, revamping it a little bit, partially for you Nuckles37, and partially because I am now not at work and bored again, a two move proposal:

Gaunce, Raymond and our 1st for Plekanec. Montreal wants to move him, and futures are what they'd want from us. Adding Raymond is a plus for them, and kind of a "meh" from me.

Luongo for Lupul and Colborne (if they wouldn't accept Kadri with Lupul). Let's just settle it for the sake of this proposal. Of course, I'd "settle" for JVR instead of Lupul.

Colborne and Kassian can continue to develop in the AHL if the NHL comes back this season, and with Schroeder and Joslin, Connauton and Sauve, we have a little NHL experience in our call ups, and a few other prospects ready to play if they are to be called upon.

Change my lines as you see fit, but I think that is a dirty top nine. Higgins and Hansen are the only things close to "tweeners" in that top nine, and I think both have shown big steps to becoming top 6 players. Plekanec and Lupul give us a little more versatility and scoring depth, and really bolster our second PP unit.

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FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,290,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $910,000

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Since we are working off of 1/2 a season cap rates now, this is the Nucks best chance to win a cup!!!

Sign Clark as a 7th D...for $400k cap hit
Sign Arnott as 3rd line C...for $900K cap hit

Trade Luongo to TOR for Lupul and Colbourne...Lupul is a UFA and Colbourne a prospect...And Lupul HATES Randy CARLYE...RC said he would never be a top FWD in the NHL when he played in ANA

TRADE LU and go for the cup instead of trying to win a trade!

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Jason Arnott ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Brett Clark ($0.400m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,020,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,180,000
raymond over higgins? kassian spare forward? edler third pair? alberts over tanev? ballard ahead of edler? arnott does not fit this team?

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ECHLFreak, I agree this is the Canucks best shot. To that end, I am suggesting a radical trade;

Luongo and Edler to Edmonton for Smyth, Hordichuk and Sutton.

The short season will help these vets and after the cup run the rebuild can begin in earnest.
please tell me ur joking

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Montreal fans seem to approve of Gaunce+1st for Plekanec. It's against my last post to drop that much in the way of futures, but...it's Tomas freakin' Plekanec without subtracting from our roster. They asked for Raymond, for a small + on their part (or Kaberle), so we move him and Alberts...bam, we have room for him.

Gaunce+1st+Raymond for Plekanec+2nd(3rd?).

Luongo trade it up, say Lupul+Kadri+2nd.

Ballard for Nielsen.

Drop Alberts to the Wolves.

Boom, winning roster with hilarious depth.



With guys like Plekanec, it's not so much what you can get but what you can sustain. Plekanic would be gone sooner than later, due to cap restrictions. Or, he would force someone else out.



Before even getting into trades, I just hope that most of this team is retained heading into the 2013-2014 season. That's the number one goal IMO. Trading Luongo for futures helps facilitate that. Trading Ballard for similar also helps. But bringing in 4m+ salaries does not... not without subtracting elsewhere.



I want this as the Canucks forward corpse in 2013 (63m-65m cap):


D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Kassian
Pinnizotto-Lapierre-Weise
Sweatt


This while retaining Edler... If that can be done while _also_ bringing in Plekanec, great. If not, then I'm not sure why you make the deal...

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With guys like Plekanec, it's not so much what you can get but what you can sustain. Plekanic would be gone sooner than later, due to cap restrictions. Or, he would force someone else out.

Before even getting into trades, I just hope that most of this team is retained heading into the 2013-2014 season. That's the number one goal IMO. Trading Luongo for futures helps facilitate that. Trading Ballard for similar also helps. But bringing in 4m+ salaries does not... not without subtracting elsewhere.

I want this as the Canucks forward corpse in 2013 (63m-65m cap):


D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Kassian
Pinnizotto-Lapierre-Weise
Sweatt


This while retaining Edler... If that can be done while _also_ bringing in Plekanec, great. If not, then I'm not sure why you make the deal...
I don't really think it's possible to have Plekanec on our roster if the cap is $60 mil. It could be possible with $63 mil, but I think Booth would have to be traded away to afford it.

And if we get Plekanec, do we play him on the 2nd line and move Kesler to the wing, or do we have him center the 3rd line preventing Schroeder from getting a chance to play?


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As much as i love higgins and hansen, thats a very poor 2nd line. If youre going to play anybody on the 2nd line , its the players with higher upside and you hope they play to their potential (booth, etc) - cuz thats what needs to happen to win the cup

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I don't really think it's possible to have Plekanec on our roster if the cap is $60 mil. It could be possible with $63 mil, but I think Booth would have to be traded away to afford it.

And if we get Plekanec, do we play him on the 2nd line and move Kesler to the wing, or do we have him center the 3rd line prevent Schroeder from getting a chance to play?


My thoughts exactly, and yes, Schroeder would likely get blocked. I like Pleks. I just don't think we can keep him even if he were dealt here.



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As much as i love higgins and hansen, thats a very poor 2nd line. If youre going to play anybody on the 2nd line , its the players with higher upside and you hope they play to their potential (booth, etc) - cuz thats what needs to happen to win the cup


The potential guys would be Booth and Kassian. The middle 6 is up or debate really, as to who fits with who and which line should get more ice. The optimal scenario is to have both lines produce at a 2nd line rate. Similar to what BOS had/has with Peverly and Kelly on their 3rd line. We know Higgins, Kesler, Hansen and Booth can do it. The question remains can Schroeder and Kassian follow suit? If they can, look out.



Actually, if Higgins-Kesler-Hansen all produce at a 2nd line rate, how can that line be considered a "very poor 2nd line"?

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