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12-30-2012, 04:15 AM
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I set my alarm for 4:30 and either slept through it, or turned it off in my sleep, lol. Oh well, I'm up now. GO GALLY!

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12-30-2012, 04:28 AM
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My God, is Galchenyuk the only player on team USA that knows how to play hockey?

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12-30-2012, 04:44 AM
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My God, is Galchenyuk the only player on team USA that knows how to play hockey?
I feel bad for him and Jones..

Taking perimeter shots without screens....

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12-30-2012, 05:41 AM
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Wow Drouin is incredible. No wonder people are going crazy over this upcoming draft class. Jones looked real good out there too. Mackinnon didn't do much but man is he explosive.

I know Drouin is small but if there was a way we can get him I'd go crazy. One time he took a pretty mean knock yet still kept the puck and kept trucking.

If I were to rank the three just on this game I'd say

1. Drouin
2. Jones
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12-30-2012, 06:34 AM
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Drouin is Giroux. What people didn't see in Giroux....they now see it in Drouin.

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12-30-2012, 06:41 AM
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Wow Drouin is incredible. No wonder people are going crazy over this upcoming draft class. Jones looked real good out there too. Mackinnon didn't do much but man is he explosive.

I know Drouin is small but if there was a way we can get him I'd go crazy. One time he took a pretty mean knock yet still kept the puck and kept trucking.

If I were to rank the three just on this game I'd say

1. Drouin
2. Jones
3. Mackinnon
For this game alone Jones had his ups and downs. He got caught on 2 goals and almost on a 3rd. He also saved a goal late in the third and made some good plays offensively. Tough to compare MacKinnon to Jones in this game as Nate's role isn't the same as Jones'. Drouin was the best of the bunch though.

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12-30-2012, 06:45 AM
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Drouin is Giroux. What people didn't see in Giroux....they now see it in Drouin.
Drouin is bigger and a much better skater. At that age Giroux was like 5'9" and 160lbs.

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12-30-2012, 06:46 AM
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For this game alone Jones had his ups and downs. He got caught on 2 goals and almost on a 3rd. He also saved a goal late in the third and made some good plays offensively. Tough to compare MacKinnon to Jones in this game as Nate's role isn't the same as Jones'. Drouin was the best of the bunch though.
Agree. I think for a 17 year old D who's that tall and to be that well rounded is really impressive.

Drouin looks positively electric with the puck. Having him on a line with Galchenyuk would be amazing. God I hope we can get a top 5 pick. I'm 100% convinced we won't even get one in the top 15. If we don't I say trade the 2nd rounders and whatever else.

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For this game alone Jones had his ups and downs. He got caught on 2 goals and almost on a 3rd. He also saved a goal late in the third and made some good plays offensively. Tough to compare MacKinnon to Jones in this game as Nate's role isn't the same as Jones'. Drouin was the best of the bunch though.
Plus any scout worth $0.25 isn't looking at performance but moreso potential. You can teach a lot of the defensive play and most of it gets learnt at the pro level. You can't teach size, great skating and offensive awareness.

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12-30-2012, 07:18 AM
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Drouin is bigger and a much better skater. At that age Giroux was like 5'9" and 160lbs.
Drouin has better first steps but Giroux's skating was not that bad as people thought it was. I agree that size played a role in Giroux's selection, yet some scouts had reservations about his overall play and if he'd even be able to bring it offensively. Central scouting had Giroux at 5'10.5", 169 lbs in 2006 while Drouin is at 5'11'' 176 lbs. My point was just to compare overall IQ and understanding of the game and pure elite talent.

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12-30-2012, 07:20 AM
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Plus any scout worth $0.25 isn't looking at performance but moreso potential. You can teach a lot of the defensive play and most of it gets learnt at the pro level. You can't teach size, great skating and offensive awareness.
Absolutely. People looking at those specific games to upgrade and downgrate their rankings are due for a rude awakening. Jones will be a NHL stud.

Do people remember McDonagh's struggling at the WJC? And so on....

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12-30-2012, 09:15 AM
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Drouin is Giroux. What people didn't see in Giroux....they now see it in Drouin.
To be fair, Giroux did play in the WJC as well. Do you remember if it was before or after he was drafted? And I'm guessing that many scouts didn't think his skills would translate to the NHL based on his size?

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Drouin has better first steps but Giroux's skating was not that bad as people thought it was. I agree that size played a role in Giroux's selection, yet some scouts had reservations about his overall play and if he'd even be able to bring it offensively. Central scouting had Giroux at 5'10.5", 169 lbs in 2006 while Drouin is at 5'11'' 176 lbs. My point was just to compare overall IQ and understanding of the game and pure elite talent.
He looks shorter than that.

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The main board basically boils down to this:

"I have never watched [insert junior player's name here] play, but from what I've seen in the past three days, this guy sucks!"

Poor Ryan Murphy, some guy actually posted, "I hate him!" Really?

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The main board basically boils down to this:

"I have never watched [insert junior player's name here] play, but from what I've seen in the past three days, this guy sucks!"

Poor Ryan Murphy, some guy actually posted, "I hate him!" Really?
of course, he takes time away from Rielly

Some people won't get over the Kessel trade either. Hamilton hasn't been outstanding but reading the board you'd think he's a mediocre d-man.

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He looks shorter than that.
No that sounds about right.

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of course, he takes time away from Rielly

Some people won't get over the Kessel trade either. Hamilton hasn't been outstanding but reading the board you'd think he's a mediocre d-man.
Seguin, Rielly and Hamilton, now there's a group you can build around.

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To be fair, Giroux did play in the WJC as well. Do you remember if it was before or after he was drafted? And I'm guessing that many scouts didn't think his skills would translate to the NHL based on his size?
He didn't play at 17. I believe he played at 18 and 19.

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12-30-2012, 10:42 AM
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Drouin is Giroux. What people didn't see in Giroux....they now see it in Drouin.
These kind of comparisons never end well. Nobody knew Giroux would be Giroux, as much as the hindsight brigade likes to think so.

What Drouin is, is very good. Possibly better than Giroux at the same age. You are right the same scouts who dismissed Giroux won't do the same with Drouin.

But Giroux is one of those players you can't project, because he exceeded most expectations. It's like claiming Collberg will be the next Alfie or even better, or every big tough Anglo guy with marginal offensive instincts will be the next Lucic.


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These kind of comparisons never end well. Nobody knew Giroux would be Giroux, as much as the hindsight brigade likes to think so.

What Drouin is, is very good. Possibly better than Giroux at the same age. You are right the same scouts who dismissed Giroux won't do the same with Drouin.

But Giroux is one of those players you can't project, because he exceeded most expectations. It's like claiming Collberg will be the next Alfie or even better, or every big tough Anglo guy with marginal offensive instincts will be the next Lucic.
Not talking about Jean-Gabriel Pageau here. But a Giroux who did end up a 1st rounder after all, good enough to be taken by the big and strong Flyers who thought he'd fit good in there. Point is, the Q was dismissed in general and in his enterity for quite some time, and not too sure it won't be in the future as well. Yet, this is a year that is seen great for the Q, hence most of the players getting a better rating than in a poor overall league performance. That's how it goes unfortunately. With a strong possibility that some of those Q players ended up being overrated because of how it looks like as well. Though, that won't be the case for Drouin.

True, nobody knew Giroux would be Giroux, 'cause if they knew he'd be top 5. So my comparison was NOT about Giroux at the time compared to Drouin now. Those type of comparisons are always about who you think he looks like NOW.

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Not talking about Jean-Gabriel Pageau here. But a Giroux who did end up a 1st rounder after all, good enough to be taken by the big and strong Flyers who thought he'd fit good in there. Point is, the Q was dismissed in general and in his enterity for quite some time, and not too sure it won't be in the future as well. Yet, this is a year that is seen great for the Q, hence most of the players getting a better rating than in a poor overall league performance. That's how it goes unfortunately. With a strong possibility that some of those Q players ended up being overrated because of how it looks like as well. Though, that won't be the case for Drouin.

True, nobody knew Giroux would be Giroux, 'cause if they knew he'd be top 5. So my comparison was NOT about Giroux at the time compared to Drouin now. Those type of comparisons are always about who you think he looks like NOW.
Yeah, I mainly agree and Drouin will be highly sought after for that reason, since I'm going to bet a lot of pro scouts feel the same way. I just don't think anyone should expect Drouin to be a Giroux clone, or even better because he's slightly taller and faster. Even with less size Giroux is feistier. Drouin is going to be Drouin, it's easy to make parallels to those other slightly undersized guys with ridiculous hands like Giroux and Kane, and it makes sense, but I see Drouin's skillset as somewhere between those two.

Actually who Drouin reminds me of is a more polished Teravainen, who had no business dropping as far as he did last year. He isn't quite as quick as TT, but he's a little more physical and a lot more selfless. No way does Drouin drop like that though, because he's far more consistent a performer and didn't develop late the way TT did. Not to mention he's Canadian (or Quebecois, if you prefer).

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I have to give Whitesnake credit for calling Trouba. He's looking legit. Has impressed me more than Jones actually.

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The main board basically boils down to this:

"I have never watched [insert junior player's name here] play, but from what I've seen in the past three days, this guy sucks!"

Poor Ryan Murphy, some guy actually posted, "I hate him!" Really?
GDTs are always like that - people get emotional while watching. It's definitely hyperbole, but there's also a bit of truth to it IMO - Murphy hasn't been very good and probably not deserving of the amount of ice time he's getting. To me, Ouellet and Harrington have been our best.

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