Rask last time I checked hasnt led Boston anywhere.
The Leafs traded Toskala for the pick that became Lars Eller..not Couture who was picked before. The only reason you say its bad is because you have hindsight.
Can I say I think Burke should be fired because he shouldve traded up one spot from Kadri to pick OEL?
Wouldn't be fair. Hindsight.
Fact is JFJ had a way better record than Burke in his time here, and a better scouting record too. None of Burkes picks have made the NHL. Many of JFJs have. And it is sad Im defending him...look at me...but really only to benchmark how worse Burke has been,
Jfjs prospects made it because they developed. Fire Burke today and in five years some of his prospects are on the team.
Jfj inherited one of, if not the best Leaf ever in Sundin. Burke inherited Tomas Kaberle and some good prospects just now showing what they are
Jfjs prospects made it because they developed. Fire Burke today and in five years some of his prospects are on the team.
Jfj inherited one of, if not the best Leaf ever in Sundin. Burke inherited Tomas Kaberle and some good prospects just now showing what they are
They also made it despite the Leafs finishing nearly in the playoffs...as opposed to the Leafs who have been one of the worst teams in the league under Burke.
We should not only have better prospects than we do because we've been so bad...but at least one should be on the roster making a difference. Not one though.
We've sucked for so long and you are willing to suck more just to see a fat oaf continue to drive this once noble team off the cliff?
One question:
When does the sucking end?
I mean we clearly aren't tanking because Brian Burke doesn't believe in that (and has traded multiple first round picks for good measure)
We clearly have been trying desperately to make the playoffs every year based on every move he's made (spending to the cap ceiling, trading multiple first round picks) but we've failed each and every time.
How much more failure are people comfortable with ?
Burke has done many good things and many negative things. For me, at this point, his overall body of work tells me he stays for a least a couple of years.
Having said that, his biggest mistake was allowing RWilson as much rope as he did. RW hockey was nothing close to what BB promised and he should have pulled the plug on Ronnie at the end of the 10/11 season. I get that the RW extension last December was arguably meaningless, but I was extremely unhappy that it was done and even more upset at BB for allowing that clown Wilson to embarrass the Leafs by his twitter announcement last Christmas. Highly unprofessional.
Rask last time I checked hasnt led Boston anywhere.
The Leafs traded Toskala for the pick that became Lars Eller..not Couture who was picked before. The only reason you say its bad is because you have hindsight.
Can I say I think Burke should be fired because he shouldve traded up one spot from Kadri to pick OEL?
Wouldn't be fair. Hindsight.
Fact is JFJ had a way better record than Burke in his time here, and a better scouting record too. None of Burkes picks have made the NHL. Many of JFJs have. And it is sad Im defending him...look at me...but really only to benchmark how worse Burke has been,
So it's fair to judge Burke using hindsight, but not JFJ?
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He said he doesn't believe it should take five years and he'll do it sooner...certainly acted upon that idea by promptly sending the highest draft pick the Leafs have ever encountered out the door.
When the pick was traded it wasn't the "highest pick the leafs ever encountered". It was a first round pick, that simple.
JFJ inherited a better team than Burke did. JFJ had career seasons of Mccabe/Kaberle and Sundin as a #1 centre. Who cares if the teams did better than Burke's? They still missed the playoffs.
And comparing JFJ's draft picks to Burke's is absurd. Burke's has not developed yet.
Can you guys stop whining. We got a superstar who was 21 at the time of the trade. Who the hell predicted he'd be a PPG player without Marc Savard,
True enough, I think any criticism of Burke shouldn't revolve much around that trade.
It's tough judging Burke, I don't think there have been many impactful gaffes, and it gets really blurry when you're judging a GM for the moves he didn't make.
I like how people ignore this. I also like how they ignore Kessel in the "Kessel" deal. Of course, you're also likely to find them bashing Reilly and bent over for Hamilton.....
JFJ shouldnt have been here in the first place. He was gm in name only
why shouldn't he have been hired in the first place? you're judging him based on his time in toronto, which wasn't close to 10 years.
his title was gm, so we have to assume he had the same powers and authority as any other gm in the league. doesn't really matter much to your argument though. if someone else was pulling the strings, then that person should have gotten 10 years before being judged.
if you buy ken holland's idea, then you have to admit jfj was judged far too early into his tenure and should have been given 10 years.
I like how people ignore this. I also like how they ignore Kessel in the "Kessel" deal. Of course, you're also likely to find them bashing Reilly and bent over for Hamilton.....
I've noticed this. Phil Kessel doesn't exist in the "Kessel Deal".
I like how people ignore this. I also like how they ignore Kessel in the "Kessel" deal. Of course, you're also likely to find them bashing Reilly and bent over for Hamilton.....
WTF do you think people are ignoring ? The team finished 7th last in back to back seasons yet for some reason his supporters keep saying there's no way he could have known he was giving up the 2nd and 9th overall picks . I also love how on one hand his supporters say this rebuild is taking so long because the team was god awful when he took over then turn around and say there's no way anyone could have known the picks would be this high .
What has Kessel done for the team in his 3 years here ? Yes he's done what Burke expected of him but it has made zero difference in the standings .
WTF does Reilly have to do with Hamilton ? They're both excellent prospects and i don't need to knock one to be a fan of the other .
Gerber - MISTAKE # 2...same time I respect the man for wanting to make his team as best as possible but in the end the pick was going to BOS so really, he tried to ease the sting of giving up a top pick.
Gerber came in at the end of 2009, when we had our own pick. If we had just lost one or two more games, the Leafs would have jumped from 7th to 5th in the draft order, which would mean a swap of Kadri for Schenn or Oliver Ekman-Larsson potentially in our system. Kadri vs Schenn is up for debate, but if we had drafted OEL, our fortunes could have been very different the past year or two...
JFJ shouldnt have been here in the first place. He was gm in name only
JFJ had full autonomy and admitted as much when he said the only time anyone interfered with his job was when he asked to do a full rebuild and was told that wasn't an option . However he only wanted to do a full rebuild once he failed at retooling a 100 pt team .
JFJ unlike Burke wasn't allowed to fail multiple times and if you want to blame the ownership for anything it's that they didn't allow him to keep trying to ice a quality team after multiple failed seasons .
Rask for Raycroft is an utter disaster with absolutely zero benfit for our team. How much better would we look if we traded up and selected Couture instead of trading our pick for Toskala?
I'm not one to defend the Rask for Raycroft trade but I remember hearing JFJ originally wanted to trade Pogge for Raycroft, however Boston didn't want him and got their wish by getting Rask.
So had Toronto still kept Rask and got Raycroft for Pogge would they be a better team today or not?
Burke has done many good things and many negative things. For me, at this point, his overall body of work tells me he stays for a least a couple of years.
Having said that, his biggest mistake was allowing RWilson as much rope as he did. RW hockey was nothing close to what BB promised and he should have pulled the plug on Ronnie at the end of the 10/11 season. I get that the RW extension last December was arguably meaningless, but I was extremely unhappy that it was done and even more upset at BB for allowing that clown Wilson to embarrass the Leafs by his twitter announcement last Christmas. Highly unprofessional.
those kinds of moves wont happen with bell /rogers owning the team ...if they extend burke ,it wont be with full atonomy ,and hence once burke wouldve been forced to fire wilson ,never mind give him a million dollar bonus ,its not whether burke should be extended ,its rather can burke work for bosses who expect results,my guess is burke wont want to answer to anyone ,i mean how is he explaining extending ron wilson ,then canning him ,canning francios allare ,dicking around with lousy goaltending ,and possibly having to ask the new board to give phill kessel a raise
i think burke will be gone ,especially if in a 48 game season ,kesel has even one of those 7-12 game goaless streaks ....
I'm not one to defend the Rask for Raycroft trade but I remember hearing JFJ originally wanted to trade Pogge for Raycroft, however Boston didn't want him and got their wish by getting Rask.
So had Toronto still kept Rask and got Raycroft for Pogge would they be a better team today or not?
Toronto would be a better team with Rask in my estimation.
