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Canada 101 64.33%
USA 8 5.10%
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12-30-2012, 07:45 AM
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Fair enough. For an offensive d-man his hockey IQ seems poor, his passing isn't that great, and his shot isn't finding the back of the net. Yes he's a very good skater but he has left a lot to be desired in this tournament.
This is the thing I can't understand about Murphy right now. He has tremendous hockey sense and is exceptionally creative. In the tournament he looks like a scared kid who is afraid of the puck.

Kitchener played a nationally televised game last year and Murphy was insanely good. To be honest that is the kid I am use to seeing, but for some reason that incredible skill has been missing most of the year.

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12-30-2012, 12:02 PM
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Anyone know where I can watch a replay of the USA/CAN game?

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12-30-2012, 12:04 PM
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Squandering all that 5/3 PP time could have and probably should have been catastrophic.

I like the concept of set-up with 2 fwds below the goalline...but...I want to talk about some of the critical things that need to happen for that set-up to produce goals...

The idea is to force the PK to face the puck/passing while potential shooting options get in position in front of the net.

Quarterbacking the powerplay from behind the net can also wreak havoc on the goaltenders abilty to track movement away from the puck...but...

This means it is up to the defencemen to work in tandem timing with BOTH 'down low' forwards. The right time for the defecemen to be moving into open ice is the moment(s) while the puck is travelling via behind the net. If the defencemen are moving while the puck is stationary...they're easily picked up. Basicallu...your D-Man needs to be closing towards a spot on the ice where he wants a one-time pass...at the moment when the puck is travelling towards the man he wants that pass to come from.

Capiche?

Also...with this set-up...we lose "umbrella coverage" on rebounds around the top of the scoring angle. With 2 guys essentially dedicated to passing from muted angles we also lose the ability to lock wide side misses inside the zone. Thus the bottom line is the defencemen have to be ultra-accurate with their shots because we have only ONE guy tipping/screening/rebounding.

The set-up becomes a first shot concentrated strategy. And like Ive said before...it CAN and SHOULD work. It boils down to the defencemen understanding what it is they're needing to do and executing on the opportunities they get in time and space.

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12-30-2012, 01:23 PM
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Reinhart has been fantastic. Still a very dangerous game, lots of back and forth.
Reinhart does remind me of Pronger...huge imposing player, not the fastest but does all the little things right.

And Murphy sucks. Spott is stupid because he loves his own.

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Canada's defence seem to be a touch overrated based on what some people were telling us pre-selection.

When Ryan Murray went down I think we were given the re-assurance speech...about how it wouldn't make much difference because there were no less than a dozen other defencemen with equal talent who could do the job.

I don't know if a healthy Ryan Murray would have been exponentially better than any of the defencemen here...but...as for the guys who are here...none of them are taking total control of the game.

One thing I think the pundits and predictors were right about.......of the defencemen who made the team...several if not all of them are basically indifferent from 10 or so kids back home playing with club teams.

I just think its worth re-stating...this Canadian squad is a far cry from a "super team". Im not slamming them by any stretch and they definatley don't "need" to be as good as the 2005 lockout year team...but...the fact the term was ever even used around this edition goes to show how Canadian hype can get very carried away at times.


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12-30-2012, 02:34 PM
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Man that was an awful penalty for Nuge to take, especially as the captain. I'm really glad that Canada was able to weather the storm there because he would have been under fire after the game.

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Man that was an awful penalty for Nuge to take, especially as the captain. I'm really glad that Canada was able to weather the storm there because he would have been under fire after the game.
Definatley didn't like the penalty but to be honest...we were going to get called for something. It was inevitable after some of the marginal **** they called on USA in the last 10 minutes of the game.

The goalie interference penalty was atrocious. A total embarassment to get a gift like that. Nobody wants cheap calls helping them out. And you had to expect we were gonna have to even if up.

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Man that was an awful penalty for Nuge to take, especially as the captain. I'm really glad that Canada was able to weather the storm there because he would have been under fire after the game.
Homer glasses on: It seriously looked to me like Nuge just brushed the player and he practically exploded onto the ice. An absolute dive if Ive ever seen one.

Homer glasses off: Dive or not, Nuge cant be putting himself in a position like that so late in a close game. He knows that at that stage of a game his stick is going to do better defensive work than his body, and he should show that.

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Man that was an awful penalty for Nuge to take, especially as the captain. I'm really glad that Canada was able to weather the storm there because he would have been under fire after the game.
I don't understand how a player can get a boarding penalty when the guy getting hit doesn't even hit the boards. The officiating in this game was utterly terrible for both sides, just like many of the games that have been played this tournament.

The time has come where the IIHF has to seriously examine their rule book and officiating standards. The fools that have been calling these games are beginning to ruin them plain and simple, and its gotten way worse in this tournament IMO compared to tournaments past (although those haven't been anything to be proud about either).

Also, the chinstrap "violations" that were called this game were completely bush league. Actually, that's not even bush league, I'm not sure that something as subjective and absurd as that would be called in a kids league.


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I don't understand how a player can get a boarding penalty when the guy getting hit doesn't even hit the boards. The officiating in this game was utterly terrible for both sides, just like many of the games that have been played this tournament.

The time has come where the IIHF has to seriously examine their rule book and officiating standards. The fools that have been calling these games are beginning to ruin them plain and simple, and its gotten way worse in this tournament IMO compared to tournaments past (although those haven't been anything to be proud about either).
Todays game definatley had some clear examples of guys skating around on egg shells. Passing up easy chances to get a useful hit. And any hit that was made, the player looking over his shoulder at the ref to see if a call was coming.

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Refs suck, RNH sucks after the first, Yakupov sucks, the entire Canadian D corps sucks, Seth Jones sucks. Mackinnon sucks. Coaching sucks, PP sucks.

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12-30-2012, 03:08 PM
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This sums it up haha

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Great first period but the rest of the game sucked. If Canada doesn't show up in the 3rd against the Russians they are toast

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Canada's defence seem to be a touch overrated based on what some people were telling us pre-selection.

When Ryan Murray went down I think we were given the re-assurance speech...about how it wouldn't make much difference because there were no less than a dozen other defencemen with equal talent who could do the job.

I don't know if a healthy Ryan Murray would have been exponentially better than any of the defencemen here...but...as for the guys who are here...none of them are taking total control of the game.

One thing I think the pundits and predictors were right about.......of the defencemen who made the team...several if not all of them are basically indifferent from 10 or so kids back home playing with club teams.

I just think its worth re-stating...this Canadian squad is a far cry from a "super team". Im not slamming them by any stretch and they definatley don't "need" to be as good as the 2005 lockout year team...but...the fact the term was ever even used around this edition goes to show how Canadian hype can get very carried away at times.
Murray was a big loss definitely. It seems that most of the hype on the d was for Hamilton and a little bit for Reilly.

Hamilton has played okay only and hasn't live up to the hype yet. Reilly was pretty good i thought. Apart from Murphy, the whole group has done fairly well.

I just wish the head coach didn't play favorite with taking Murphy. Right now, Murphy is just a turnover machine and unable to defend one on one. Dumba or Corrado would have round out the group much better.

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Man that was an awful penalty for Nuge to take, especially as the captain. I'm really glad that Canada was able to weather the storm there because he would have been under fire after the game.
Definitely a bad penalty consider the score and time of the game.

To give it a little more context, RNH went in to give Sieloff of the US a shove because Sieloff and Trouba were just roughing up Rattie and Scheifele at the corner a few seconds before.

Sieloff actually gave Rattie a head shot with his forehand after crosschecking him from the back. Scheifele tumbled and was on his knees, then Trouba decided to send forehand to his chest to knock him backward towards the board dangerously while Scheifele knees were buckled and his head very close to the board. While Scheifele was down, Trouba added to it by piling down on Scheifele.

Ref were right there looking at it and let them go. I think RNH was mad and lost his cool there a bit and tried to send a message back.

Sieloff actually embellished that by diving onto the ice like he was hit by a truck, but it was just a slight bump/shove. Interestingly, similar to what Scheifele did against the Slovak drawing a penalty.

It was a penalty whether he embellished it or not. And it was RNH's fault for not holding his cool. However, the guy is only 19yrs old. And I am sure his teammate can appreciate that the captain was trying to stand up for them.

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RNH "boarding" was a complete dive. No homer glasses. Everybody in this tourney is diving left right and center. It is an embaresment.

Personaly I think team Canadas defense is MUCH bteter than I heard or thought it would be. But for all the wrong reasons.

Dougie has been great despite not having as many points as many thought he would.

Scott Harrington has been superb.

Xavier Ouellet very good.

Tyler Wotherspoon impressive.

Morgan Rielly best of the "offensive defensemen" but not great IMO. Has made the most mistakes besides Murphy but has some great offensive moments.

Griffin Reinhart meh. Looks a lil shaky out there at times but nothing as bad as Rielly or Ryan.

Ryan Murphy. For every good play he makes (and he has made some) he makes 2-3 really really bad plays. I will be blown away of this guy plays more than 40 NHL games in his career. Terribad far too often. Offensivly overrated as well.

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Ryan Murphy. For every good play he makes (and he has made some) he makes 2-3 really really bad plays. I will be blown away of this guy plays more than 40 NHL games in his career. Terribad far too often. Offensivly overrated as well.
When I watch Murphy I see alot of MAB, although without the potential for occasional gnarly looking hip checks. I figure he will carve out a niche as a PP specialist if he is lucky.

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I know RNH has put up some points and the team is 3-0, but I'll admit I've been underwhelmed by him. It's up and down with Nuge. I guess the expectations I had were too high, or I don't even know what. Watching him get dominated in faceoffs isn't encouraging either. I guess it's true he really is the quiet assassin and kind of unassumingly goes about his business, making the odd cheeky play here or there. Not much flair to his game, it's just a very composed and calculated kind of style and in watching him, there are times when I see his skill and his talent, his instincts for the game and I think he could do so much more and take over in certain instances much more easily. But he's just so damn quiet. Don't get me wrong I'm excited for the kid and I appreciate the way he plays, how intelligent and composed he is but there are some times I wish we could see more boisterous dominance so to speak. However he is doing good overall so I supposed I shouldn't complain or get worried... if there's one thing though I sincerely hope he can improve upon its his faceoffs.


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RNH was terrible on draws tonight, I'd be surprised if he won 25% of them TBH. The whole top line left something to be desired tonight IMO. Did MacKinnon get hurt it seemed like he barely played in the 2nd and 3rd.
He finished 1/11 on draws against junior players. Pretty concerning.

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I know RNH has put up some points and the team is 3-0, but I'll admit I've been underwhelmed by him. It's up and down with Nuge. I guess the expectations I had were too high, or I don't even know what. Watching him get dominated in faceoffs isn't encouraging either. I guess it's true he really is the quiet assassin and kind of unassumingly goes about his business, making the odd cheeky play here or there. Not much flair to his game, it's just a very composed and calculated kind of style and in watching him, there are times when I see his skill and his talent, his instincts for the game and I think he could do so much more and take over in certain instances much more easily. But he's just so damn quiet. Don't get me wrong I'm excited for the kid and I appreciate the way he plays, how intelligent and composed he is but there are some times I wish we could see more boisterous dominance so to speak. However he is doing good overall so I supposed I shouldn't complain or get worried... if there's one thing though I sincerely hope he can improve upon its his faceoffs.
I don't see how you can say this. He has made so many great plays in the tournament. His game is not in your face but is rather more subtle. But he is clearly the best player in the WJHC.

Not sure how old you are but people use to say the same thing about Gretzky after watching him a few times as well. Not saying that Nuge is Gretzky, but his game is very similar in style.

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Amazing that Oiler fans still don't understand the type of game that Nuge plays and how as a teenager he is already one of the better players in the league at it.

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Nugent-Hopkins reminds me of Mike Modano. "Silent assassin" is apropos. Modano would often be invisible during those Oilers/Stars playoff battles and you wouldn't notice him until he scored a back-breaking goal. At the end of the night he'd have a goal and two assists.

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He finished 1/11 on draws against junior players. Pretty concerning.
Yikes. No wonder that 1st line wasn't generating much offensive after the first period. They were on the defensive for most of their shift because of lost faceoffs.

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I know RNH has put up some points and the team is 3-0, but I'll admit I've been underwhelmed by him. It's up and down with Nuge. I guess the expectations I had were too high, or I don't even know what. Watching him get dominated in faceoffs isn't encouraging either. I guess it's true he really is the quiet assassin and kind of unassumingly goes about his business, making the odd cheeky play here or there. Not much flair to his game, it's just a very composed and calculated kind of style and in watching him, there are times when I see his skill and his talent, his instincts for the game and I think he could do so much more and take over in certain instances much more easily. But he's just so damn quiet. Don't get me wrong I'm excited for the kid and I appreciate the way he plays, how intelligent and composed he is but there are some times I wish we could see more boisterous dominance so to speak. However he is doing good overall so I supposed I shouldn't complain or get worried... if there's one thing though I sincerely hope he can improve upon its his faceoffs.
The only thing he's disappointed in is faceoffs, imo. The Oilers "only" have 2 real game-breakers and they are Yakupov and Hall. RNH and Eberle are more of the silent assassin types.

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Yikes. No wonder that 1st line wasn't generating much offensive after the first period. They were on the defensive for most of their shift because of lost faceoffs.
Most offensively gifted centres aren't very good at face offs. It's fine because of what they do after they lose the draw.

That said Nuge really needs to get his percentage into the 40s some day.

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I know RNH has put up some points and the team is 3-0, but I'll admit I've been underwhelmed by him. It's up and down with Nuge. I guess the expectations I had were too high, or I don't even know what. Watching him get dominated in faceoffs isn't encouraging either. I guess it's true he really is the quiet assassin and kind of unassumingly goes about his business, making the odd cheeky play here or there. Not much flair to his game, it's just a very composed and calculated kind of style and in watching him, there are times when I see his skill and his talent, his instincts for the game and I think he could do so much more and take over in certain instances much more easily. But he's just so damn quiet. Don't get me wrong I'm excited for the kid and I appreciate the way he plays, how intelligent and composed he is but there are some times I wish we could see more boisterous dominance so to speak. However he is doing good overall so I supposed I shouldn't complain or get worried... if there's one thing though I sincerely hope he can improve upon its his faceoffs.
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