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Dougie Hamilton vs Morgan Rielly

View Poll Results: Who would you take?
Dougie Hamilton 316 64.23%
Morgan Rielly 138 28.05%
too close to call 38 7.72%
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12-30-2012, 11:51 AM
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I thought he was much better today. Definitely better than Rielly in today's game.
Not really. I really liked Hamilton's defensive game a lot, but he wasn't that great on the pp. The second pp pairing with Rielly and Ouellet is much stronger than the first with Murphy and Hamilton. You can really see Murphy and Hamilton struggling with their entries. Right from behind the net they have to make that play with RNH where he drops it to Hamilton and he passes it to Huberdeau coming down the wing.

With the second pp, usually it's Rielly taking it over the line himself or him making a good pass to Strome in flight. Definitely the 2nd pp units have a lot easier entry than the first pp.

Do you realize that despite the total amount of shots Hamilton takes, he has only 3 shots on goal and Rielly has 10 shots on goal?


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12-30-2012, 12:37 PM
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Neither Hamilton or Rielly really impressed me today.

Rielly just did absolutely nothing. I didn't see him make a good defensive or offensive play.

Hamilton was on the puck a lot more but didn't really do anything with it. His lack of physicality was really disapointing.

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12-30-2012, 01:36 PM
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This is ridiculous. Three games, being played halfway across the world, with new teammates, new systems, new roles, etc. has relatively little bearing in my mind as to who I would take going forward. Obviously, this tournament is a big deal and it is a great opportunity to shine, but to try and rationalize which player will become a better NHLer based an a 3 point game against Slovakia, etc. is just crazy to me. Trouba was an absolute beast in that last game, but I'd still take Rielly and Hamilton over him because that's just way too small of a sample size (although I really don't know much about Trouba at all compared to the other two)

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12-30-2012, 01:48 PM
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This response is mostly for Atomos2:

1. During this World Junior Tournament Hamilton has been playing a different role than last year. Last year Hamilton played with Gormley as the top offensive pairing. Murray and Harrington were the shut down pairing. This year with Murray's absence, Hamilton and Harrington are the shutdown pair. They have not been playing with Nuge/Scheifele/Huberdeau 5 on 5. Yes, Hamilton is getting powerplay time with the top unit.

2. Hamilton and Reilly should not be compared in style of play. Hamilton joins the rush. Reilly leads the rush. You used a comparison of a Crosby goal to show Reilly's ability as a scorer. Hamilton doesn't score a lot of points like that.

3. Hamilton is 6'5" 205lbs and still growing into his body. He has grown 4inches since he started in the OHL. Reilly is 6' give/or take an inch and 205 according to Hockeydb.com. He may still be growing into his body.

4. Reilly is more comparable to Murphy.

5. All were first rounders. All will be playing in the NHL some day on their respective teams. And there roles will be different.

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12-30-2012, 02:09 PM
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Neither Hamilton or Rielly really impressed me today.

Rielly just did absolutely nothing. I didn't see him make a good defensive or offensive play.

Hamilton was on the puck a lot more but didn't really do anything with it. His lack of physicality was really disapointing.
lol, everytime I read a post from you there is an underlying shot towards a Leafs prospect, coincidence?

Rielly played a very efficient game, since Canada took a 2-0 lead, he played to the situation. He moved the puck out efficiently, he made clever stick checks that broke up plays. Basically when he was on the ice, Canada was never in trouble with the exception of a save from Subban when he and Wotherspoon were too wide in the neutral zone and a USA player got a chance.

There are times offensive defenceman play to the score, Murphy played better too because we didn't notice him for the wrong reasons.

Hamilton had a good game, if you don't expect him to be an offensive dynamo. In a game like this one, usually the goalie shines, and Subban did. Not sure what you are expecting from Rielly and Hamilton. Other than when Hamilton is on the PP, he should use his teammates more.

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12-30-2012, 02:54 PM
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This response is mostly for Atomos2:

1. During this World Junior Tournament Hamilton has been playing a different role than last year. Last year Hamilton played with Gormley as the top offensive pairing. Murray and Harrington were the shut down pairing. This year with Murray's absence, Hamilton and Harrington are the shutdown pair. They have not been playing with Nuge/Scheifele/Huberdeau 5 on 5. Yes, Hamilton is getting powerplay time with the top unit.

2. Hamilton and Reilly should not be compared in style of play. Hamilton joins the rush. Reilly leads the rush. You used a comparison of a Crosby goal to show Reilly's ability as a scorer. Hamilton doesn't score a lot of points like that.

3. Hamilton is 6'5" 205lbs and still growing into his body. He has grown 4inches since he started in the OHL. Reilly is 6' give/or take an inch and 205 according to Hockeydb.com. He may still be growing into his body.

4. Reilly is more comparable to Murphy.

5. All were first rounders. All will be playing in the NHL some day on their respective teams. And there roles will be different.
good post. hard to argue with any of it.

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12-30-2012, 04:08 PM
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This response is mostly for Atomos2:

1. During this World Junior Tournament Hamilton has been playing a different role than last year. Last year Hamilton played with Gormley as the top offensive pairing. Murray and Harrington were the shut down pairing. This year with Murray's absence, Hamilton and Harrington are the shutdown pair. They have not been playing with Nuge/Scheifele/Huberdeau 5 on 5. Yes, Hamilton is getting powerplay time with the top unit.

2. Hamilton and Reilly should not be compared in style of play. Hamilton joins the rush. Reilly leads the rush. You used a comparison of a Crosby goal to show Reilly's ability as a scorer. Hamilton doesn't score a lot of points like that.

3. Hamilton is 6'5" 205lbs and still growing into his body. He has grown 4inches since he started in the OHL. Reilly is 6' give/or take an inch and 205 according to Hockeydb.com. He may still be growing into his body.

4. Reilly is more comparable to Murphy.

5. All were first rounders. All will be playing in the NHL some day on their respective teams. And there roles will be different.
Everything other than the spelling of Rielly and the bold lettering I agree with. I wasn't comparing Rielly to Crosby as a scorer, just the fact he has pretty good hands. Passing and hockey IQ are more of his strong suits but I do agree with what you say.

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Neither Hamilton or Rielly really impressed me today.

Rielly just did absolutely nothing. I didn't see him make a good defensive or offensive play.

Hamilton was on the puck a lot more but didn't really do anything with it. His lack of physicality was really disapointing.
Rielly broke up a Galchenyuk rush. Hamilton saved a goal. Sometimes doing nothing can be really effective.

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12-30-2012, 06:00 PM
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lol, everytime I read a post from you there is an underlying shot towards a Leafs prospect, coincidence?
Not a shot at Rielly or even Hamilton. It was just 1 game and I dont think any Canadian defensemen, besides Harrington, played good. He was great in the previous game.

The more of these games I watch the more I like Rielly over Hamilton. I voted for Hamilton when this thread was created but now im not sure who i prefer.

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12-31-2012, 12:06 AM
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Hamilton has been the biggest underachiever on team Canada so far.

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Hamilton has been the biggest underachiever on team Canada so far.
So far, Hamilton has been unimpressive. Steady, but unimpressive anyway. If that makes sense. I'd still take him over a PP-specialist who doesn't see any ice-time in PK.

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Both left a lot to be desired at the WJC for the amount of hype they have received imo. Hamilton was the better of the two but is also the more experienced player having been in the tournament last year. Rielly definitely needs another year of Juniors to improve his defensive game.

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I dont think WJC games can be used for comparison. I dont know if its the system but every Canadian defensemen has been awful.

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Both left a lot to be desired at the WJC for the amount of hype they have received imo. Hamilton was the better of the two but is also the more experienced player having been in the tournament last year. Rielly definitely needs another year of Juniors to improve his defensive game.
I'd say both were equally bad. There's no way I cold definitively say Hamilton was better because he had a lot of opportunities to show his offensive and defensive game, but aside from the first US game and the russians, his defensive game was poor and his offensive game was practically non existent. I would call Hamilton's play worse only because he was a returning player, a 19 year old in the tournament and had numerous ice time playing with the top unit on the powerplay and RNH.

Rielly played terrible (relatively speaking). He was too timid, made a lot of mistakes, terrible d zone coverage. Not necessarily a liability but did not dictate the play by any means. I give a little less of the blame to Rielly becuase he didn't have the opportunity that Dougie had in order to play his game, but still was very disappointed.

Both players wer bad and in fact, the whole of Team Canada were bad, including the coaches. This has very little basis on their future careers but I did expect more.

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