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12-29-2012, 10:39 PM
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was reading dreager twitter, he is on his way to NYC.

He was mention a final deadline by jan 11 a deal needs to be agreed upon.

Training camp opens jan 12

season would start sat jan 19 48 game schedule + playoffs which would end late june.

Flyers would have to start season on road, unless wells fargo plans on having a doubleheader hockey event. Penn State vs Vermont is scheduled for jan 19.

so due or die time for a Hockey season is jan 11.

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12-29-2012, 11:01 PM
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It would take a week to get players back for vote and for legal aspects of deal to be agreed too I thought

I thought it was 1 week for legal/vote , 1 week for camp then season

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12-29-2012, 11:11 PM
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Those extensions are mighty low in terms of dollars.
If this goes through with a 6/8 year contract limit Claude Giroux will cost more than $7m per year.
Also Matt Read, a 20goal and 50point scorer will cost more than $2.5m. Also extensions for Wellwood and Rinaldo will be more expensive if they're given out.
On the flipside I believe you can get a #1 defender for less than $6.5m if he's old enough and not directly effected by the limit in contract length, i.e. older than 28 or so.

Don't really know what you mean by year two. If I understood right the cap would be the same as last season for this one and after this would trop to $60m, so there goes another $4m.
If the Cap drops, players will realize this (or need to) and won't be expecting such outlandish contracts. I think what he offered is fairly respectable...

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12-29-2012, 11:21 PM
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It would take a week to get players back for vote and for legal aspects of deal to be agreed too I thought

I thought it was 1 week for legal/vote , 1 week for camp then season
they could do the vote via conference call, kinda like how they did when they voted to give the PA authority to dissolve if need.

dreagor was also mention that the sides did meet face to face, secretly in NYC.


I think there is a lot that they aren't telling us.

My honest feeling is that this, conference call / meeting in NYC on sunday is to set things up for the new week, not sure if they will start Monday or after new years on wed jan 2.

my gut feeling is that we will have a hockey season jan 19.

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12-29-2012, 11:22 PM
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was reading dreager twitter, he is on his way to NYC.

He was mention a final deadline by jan 11 a deal needs to be agreed upon.

Training camp opens jan 12

season would start sat jan 19 48 game schedule + playoffs which would end late june.

Flyers would have to start season on road, unless wells fargo plans on having a doubleheader hockey event. Penn State vs Vermont is scheduled for jan 19.

so due or die time for a Hockey season is jan 11.
I'm just glad to have a date. What really F's me up is the thought that this somehow might flow into next season. I really can't take it anymore. I seriously have been watching some insane amounts of premier league hi def soccer over the last couple months. you know its bad when this is somehow turning me to the dark side. the "on foot" version. i don't even recognize myself in the mirror anymore. what have i become!?!

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12-29-2012, 11:24 PM
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I'm just glad to have a date. What really F's me up is the thought that this somehow might flow into next season. I really can't take it anymore. I seriously have been watching some insane amounts of premier league hi def soccer over the last couple months. you know its bad when this is somehow turning me to the dark side. the "on foot" version. i don't even recognize myself in the mirror anymore. what have i become!?!
the good thing is once this deal is done,

it will be for 10 years with an opt out after 8, so we be guaranteed 8 years of hockey.

by that time, lets hope bettman will not be comissh

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12-30-2012, 12:57 AM
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On the flipside I believe you can get a #1 defender for less than $6.5m if he's old enough and not directly effected by the limit in contract length, i.e. older than 28 or so.
You will likely (at the highest very rarely) never see a #1 D man hit the market in UFA for any viable years ever again.

The new system will have much higher contract parity and original teams able to offer higher salaries that the top end of the league is just not going to move around unless the player ABSOLUTELY wants out.

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12-30-2012, 01:20 AM
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Those extensions are mighty low in terms of dollars.
If this goes through with a 6/8 year contract limit Claude Giroux will cost more than $7m per year.
The cap is going to lower, so contracts will have to as well.

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12-30-2012, 02:34 AM
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You will likely (at the highest very rarely) never see a #1 D man hit the market in UFA for any viable years ever again.

The new system will have much higher contract parity and original teams able to offer higher salaries that the top end of the league is just not going to move around unless the player ABSOLUTELY wants out.
The point is to acquire someone, like we did with Hamhuis and resign him to that 7year maximum.

You guys might be right with saying the cap-hits will adjust to the lowered cap.
Still Read for $2.5 is not enough.
He'll get traded like Umberger, imo.

But yeah, Briere needs to go.

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12-30-2012, 04:09 AM
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The point is to acquire someone, like we did with Hamhuis and resign him to that 7year maximum.

You guys might be right with saying the cap-hits will adjust to the lowered cap.
Still Read for $2.5 is not enough.
He'll get traded like Umberger, imo.

But yeah, Briere needs to go.
He will probably get poached in the UFA market. like you said before, you don't trade away 900k forwards, who put up 50pt seasons with 2nd/3rd line minutes.

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12-30-2012, 08:15 AM
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Lady stanley posted about a rumored cap exception for one player on the roster that wouldn't count against the cap. I haven't seen anything about it, but she's pretty good with posting things that have been reported.

If that's true, we apply it to Giroux for when his contract needs to be extended and we buy out Giroux.


Using Flyerfan808's roster :

2014-2015

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($0.00m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.125m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
3rd Line LW ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($2.250m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.900m) / 4th Line C ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.700m)
13th Forward ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.900m) / Top Pairing D (6.300m)
7th Defender ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Backup ($0.900m)

is $55,667,667m

Cap by then would probably be about 62-63m

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12-30-2012, 08:28 AM
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So, they don't have to pay for the buyout, it still counts against the players' share though. Players won't be happy, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. Trade scenarios make more sense, but it would likely have to be Pronger that is the one traded since Bryz still has the no-move clause.

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12-30-2012, 09:10 AM
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Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

NHL and NHLPA information sessions resume at 9:30am. At 3 sessions required to complete assessment of NHL proposal.


Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

Once bargaining resumes,it will be interesting to see players approach. Will they offer a full counter, or negotiate each item individually?

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12-30-2012, 12:20 PM
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So, they don't have to pay for the buyout, it still counts against the players' share though. Players won't be happy, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. Trade scenarios make more sense, but it would likely have to be Pronger that is the one traded since Bryz still has the no-move clause.
Doesn't Pronger also have a NMC?

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12-30-2012, 12:39 PM
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Doesn't Pronger also have a NMC?
Yes.

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12-30-2012, 12:42 PM
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Oh, people were freaking out about the NHL wanting a cap of 60m

That wouldn't happen until 2014-15 apparently.

So GMs would have this year and the following year to get down

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12-30-2012, 12:59 PM
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I should re-frase that - Ilya Bryzgalov: "I quit CSKA because lockout is ending"
https://twitter.com/rushockey/status/285449224370388992

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i dont get it.

is this a early april fools post?

did Bryz really quit? ?

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12-30-2012, 04:05 PM
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Returning home like a lot of players have done this past week

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So can someone who understands CBA issues explain to me how the buyout would work? It won't count against the cap but will against the players share? What exactly does that mean and why as fans should we care? Thank you in advance.

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12-30-2012, 05:14 PM
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Lady stanley posted about a rumored cap exception for one player on the roster that wouldn't count against the cap. I haven't seen anything about it, but she's pretty good with posting things that have been reported.

If that's true, we apply it to Giroux for when his contract needs to be extended and we buy out Giroux.


Using Flyerfan808's roster :

2014-2015

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($0.00m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.125m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
3rd Line LW ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($2.250m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.900m) / 4th Line C ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.700m)
13th Forward ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.900m) / Top Pairing D (6.300m)
7th Defender ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Backup ($0.900m)

is $55,667,667m

Cap by then would probably be about 62-63m
That defense is pretty bad. We're in trouble if both Gustafsson and Bourdon are in the starting line-up

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12-30-2012, 05:16 PM
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So can someone who understands CBA issues explain to me how the buyout would work? It won't count against the cap but will against the players share? What exactly does that mean and why as fans should we care? Thank you in advance.
Say bryz is bought out this summer he'd get 2/3 of his remaining salary over 2x the time so we'd be paying him 1.642m a year until 2026-27.

With it coming out of the owners pocket like normal buyouts, that would cause the owners to pay extra money out of pocket.

With it coming from the players share, it would come out of their 50%

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12-30-2012, 05:21 PM
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That defense is pretty bad. We're in trouble if both Gustafsson and Bourdon are in the starting line-up
2014-15, so by then Gustafsson has almost 3 years of experience. He'd be much better by then.

I didn't do much to the roster I copied and pasted from another poster's post. It was just to show how it would look with the one player exception.

And I don't see bourdon being in the league much longer with the concussions

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i dont get it.

is this a early april fools post?

did Bryz really quit? ?
Its time they all come back. their insanely close at this point. It's time to come back and play here. It's just getting twisted around to look like something crazy happened cause he's a wackjob.

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