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LD Morgan Rielly (2012, 5th overall, Toronto) II

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12-30-2012, 08:24 PM
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Take your blinders off, Rielly wasn't anything special today, especially on those 5 on 3s where he had a ton of ice team. You can throw him in that group with Hamilton, Wotherspoon and Reinhart that have had their good and bad moments this tournament. He hasn't been on the same level as Harrington and Ouellet. Nice try!
4 points, +4, 10 shots in 3 games and is the only dman not to be on for a goal against. He had a less than stellar game today but I'd say he's been relatively consistent given the amount of minutes he's played. Especially since, the lower amount of minutes played, them ore your actions become magnified.

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12-31-2012, 12:41 AM
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I agree it was hamiltons best game, he showed some solid defensive presence, and we really needed that to maintain our lead. It's just offensively I thought he was killing plays. I mean every time on the pp he would miss the net, the americans would clear it and we would have to scramble set up again. To exemplify this using stats: In 3 games hamilton has 3 SOG. 3. This is despite the fact that
-He is #1 in minutes
-He is on the #1pp (has most pp time)
-He is the "shooter" of the pp or of any pairing he is in. Because of his role, he has takes a LOT of shots.

Rielly, who is a "passer" or "ppqb" on the #2pp, and is probably last or second last in minutes played by a defenseman on team canada has 10 shots on net. Hopefully this makes you understand just how bad hamilton's shot has been. I was frustrated watching him miss quality chances, and this is coming from a guy who tolerates phaneuf.

Rielly was okay but nothing great. Had some nice offensive moments but I thought he gave opposing forwards too much space in the defensive zone. They ran around him too much. Offensively he seemed slower and a bit less effective than usual. Wasnt the worst canadian defenseman but not the best, somewhere in the middle.
Reilly looks smart. Goes for the pass or the shot on net and not just the booming slapshot a la Hamilton and Murphy.

These two guys spend more time telegraphing their howitzers and missing than actually hitting the net.

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12-31-2012, 12:46 AM
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These two guys spend more time telegraphing their howitzers and missing than actually hitting the net.
Last game Murphy's shot hit the net plenty of time. His shot is quite hard, but they don't seem like dangerous shots. Rielly was nifty, seems like he knows where the puck should be.

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12-31-2012, 01:27 AM
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I've seen Rielly play amazing hockey using his stick-work but I haven't seen that so far in this tourney. His skating is as good as it gets but I haven't really seen anything else substantial. He seems to constantly pass it to Oulette when he had a couple good looks toward the net.

It'll be interesting to see him against the Russians where his speed would be a big asset.

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12-31-2012, 01:30 AM
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I've seen Rielly play amazing hockey using his stick-work but I haven't seen that so far in this tourney. His skating is as good as it gets but I haven't really seen anything else substantial. He seems to constantly pass it to Oulette when he had a couple good looks toward the net.

It'll be interesting to see him against the Russians where his speed would be a big asset.
Yeah, agreed. It's ice time and Rielly trying to keep it simple, I think, which both works (in that he doesn't screw up) and is a little frustrating at times. If he gets a bit more ES time I'd like to see him wheel a bit more.

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12-31-2012, 08:20 AM
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I've seen Rielly play amazing hockey using his stick-work but I haven't seen that so far in this tourney. His skating is as good as it gets but I haven't really seen anything else substantial. He seems to constantly pass it to Oulette when he had a couple good looks toward the net.

It'll be interesting to see him against the Russians where his speed would be a big asset.
Due to his skating an up tempo game I think he will get more ice time today against the Russians...agreed will be interesting to watch.

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12-31-2012, 11:21 AM
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Due to his skating an up tempo game I think he will get more ice time today against the Russians...agreed will be interesting to watch.
Well Rielly played like crap today. Hopefully he picks up his play. I was not impressed in the least.

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Well Rielly played like crap today. Hopefully he picks up his play. I was not impressed in the least.
Great skater though...he had some great flashes, but nothing consistent. He'll be a great player.

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12-31-2012, 11:49 AM
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I'd like to see what sort of ice-time he had today. He's likely a person who has to play a lot of minutes to be on his 'a-game'. I'm not making excuses, I'm just wondering if his lowered ice-time is affecting his head.

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12-31-2012, 01:59 PM
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Rielly is a bust. Trade him and Kadri for Andrew Peters. Is he still playing?

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12-31-2012, 02:07 PM
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Well Rielly played like crap today. Hopefully he picks up his play. I was not impressed in the least.
.. no he didn't. Not at all actually.

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12-31-2012, 02:29 PM
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Well Rielly played like crap today. Hopefully he picks up his play. I was not impressed in the least.
In contrast Hamilton was a stud

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12-31-2012, 04:52 PM
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In contrast Hamilton was a stud
Again... no he wasn't. It was his best game of the tournament but he's been our 2nd worst defenceman all tournament so it didn't take much to improve on that

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12-31-2012, 05:25 PM
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Why are Leaf fans trashing Dougie Hamilton in a thread about Morgan Rielly?

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12-31-2012, 06:21 PM
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His first shift he fanned on a pass in his own zone which led to a sequence of pressure from the Russians. Seems like Spott kept him on the bench for a while after that.

I thought he played a pretty inspired 2nd period, but didn't get much ice-time in the third when they were trying to hold onto the lead. He is the youngest defenseman on the team, it's not surprising they are giving him sheltered minutes.
Basically this however he leads all dman in points and plus minus

Morgan Rielly 1g 4pts, +5, 13 shots
Xavier Ouellet 1g 3pts, +1, 13 shots
Dougie Hamilton 1g 2pts, +3, 9 shots
Tyler Wotherspoon 1g 2pts, +3, 3 shots
Scott Harrington 0g 1pt, +5, 2 shots
Griffin Reinhart 0g 1pt, +2, 1 shot
Ryan Murphy 0g 0pts, +2, 14 shots

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12-31-2012, 06:50 PM
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I didn't like Rielly in the game vs Russia today. He had three or four times where he rushed solo into a couple of defenders and just lost possession straight up. It wasn't a horrible game for him, but not his best IMO.

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12-31-2012, 06:53 PM
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Basically this however he leads all dman in points and plus minus

Morgan Rielly 1g 4pts, +5, 13 shots
Xavier Ouellet 1g 3pts, +1, 13 shots
Dougie Hamilton 1g 2pts, +3, 9 shots
Tyler Wotherspoon 1g 2pts, +3, 3 shots
Scott Harrington 0g 1pt, +5, 2 shots
Griffin Reinhart 0g 1pt, +2, 1 shot
Ryan Murphy 0g 0pts, +2, 14 shots
They have Rielly at 3pts FWIW.

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They have Rielly at 3pts FWIW.
TSN has him at 4pts

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/statistics/

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12-31-2012, 07:07 PM
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They have Rielly at 3pts FWIW.
But he really does have 4.

It was clear as day that he passed the puck to Quelett on the first goal of the tournament.

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12-31-2012, 07:12 PM
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This. I only joined in February but have been reading these boards since 2010.

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4 points, +4, 10 shots in 3 games and is the only dman not to be on for a goal against. He had a less than stellar game today but I'd say he's been relatively consistent given the amount of minutes he's played. Especially since, the lower amount of minutes played, them ore your actions become magnified.
I get that there are no real good measures of how good a defenceman plays rather than to actually watch the game, but these stats mean absolutely nothing to me other than the 4 points. And even that, getting secondary assists on a PP as loaded as Canada's is against Germany and Slovakia isn't a great measure either.

I'm not really sure the obsession with shots on goal here for a PP specialist, when a shot on goal can be either a really poor decision or a really good one. Who is to know, when looking at the stats? Plus/minus is what it is. As a Sabre fan, I'm always reminded of Gragnani last year.

As I said, he hasn't been elite by any stretch of the imagination. Not terrible either.

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He's seen little ES ice time, and is playing a bit timid (trying not to make mistakes). Looked a bit off today, got benched in the third.. I guess he will see an increase in playing time whenever Canada is down in a game, but that team is just absolutely stacked and has played great in both ends.

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I guess we'll only be seeing him on the PP and when the team is behind

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01-01-2013, 12:36 PM
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I get that there are no real good measures of how good a defenceman plays rather than to actually watch the game, but these stats mean absolutely nothing to me other than the 4 points. And even that, getting secondary assists on a PP as loaded as Canada's is against Germany and Slovakia isn't a great measure either.

I'm not really sure the obsession with shots on goal here for a PP specialist, when a shot on goal can be either a really poor decision or a really good one. Who is to know, when looking at the stats? Plus/minus is what it is. As a Sabre fan, I'm always reminded of Gragnani last year.

As I said, he hasn't been elite by any stretch of the imagination. Not terrible either.
It has to mean something. Ryan Murphy has played on the top unit for most of the tourney, has almost as many shots as Rielly and has nothing to show for it. Besides, when you are a ppqb, secondary assist are good things. It just means everything on the pp runs through you. I don't know why these dont get as much credit. It seems deking through the whole team and putting a perfect placed pass onto your teammate so he just needs to tap it in is the only way an assis will get any credit.

Rielly hasn't been elite, butother than RNH, Harrington, Ouellet and sometimes Schiefele, no one on the team has been elite. Yakupov hasn't been elite at all in this tournament, so singling out the youngest defenceman with the lowest ice time and best "stats" expecting him to be elite is a tad bit unreasonable. I've expected more from him too, but there's no need to downplay what he's done, because it has been moderately impressive.

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Why are Leaf fans trashing Dougie Hamilton in a thread about Morgan Rielly?
Right now Hamilton is a Canadian... he's not a Bruins or part of the Kessel deal or anything like that. I only want to see him do well.... the problem is he hasn't. It has nothing to do with trashing him, he just has not been good at all and for some reason was brought up wrongfully in a thread about Rielly who was also being wrongfully accused of playing poorly

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