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Rumor: WPG/CJB swap for partial season before full realignment

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12-30-2012, 09:47 AM
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If Columbus is put in the East, it's not going back, even if the move was said to be temporary. The proposal last year had a spot open for someone in the West to fill in a spot with one of the two eastern divisions. Columbus moving over would solidify that.
They really should've been in the east from the day they got the franchise. That central division is fine, but the conference they're in is the problem.

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They might not have a choice, but Winnipeg was fine with being the only Canadian team in the Detroit-Chicago division. Colorado has a big Western Canada fanbase, so not sure why they'd had it so much. They're in no-man's land in terms of travel, so no scenario really suits them.
Winnipeg is the new kid on the block this time. They're not going to get a ton of say. They do want that division rivalry with Minnesota though, which was going to happen until Winnipeg got forced into the Smythe after the Rockies moved to NJ. I doubt Winnipeg wanted to have 2 division rivals two time zones away, even if one was Canadian.

If you could move Toronto back with Detroit and Chicago too, Winnipeg would be thrilled all around. Good luck with that.

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12-30-2012, 10:07 AM
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Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie Talk within NHL of flipping Winnipeg and Columbus for this year only pending future realignment...

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Non-playoff team for non-playoff team if CBJ and Jets switch conferences for this season
Great. Nice to add 19 points for already unbelieveable strong Central.

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WUT?

Columbus is at 82°59′W while Detroit is at 83°02′W, so yes Columbus is more East (and for kicks - Nashville is at 86°47′W)

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Colorado has made it clear they don't want to be in a division with 4 Canadian teams.
Link? Because I don't know about that, they have been pretty quiet with the realignment situation compared to Dallas and Minnesota. And why wouldn't Colorado like playing again Canadian teams? I for one love playing against them.

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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ng-considered/

Daly: Blue Jackets-Jets swap is not being considered

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Daly: Blue Jackets-Jets swap is not being considered
Typical Daly denial. Denied WPG was getting a team weeks before it happned.

No need for anyone from the leauge to publicly say anything of the sort until a CBA is reached, then we'll see if this story has any real legs.

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If you could move Toronto back with Detroit and Chicago too, Winnipeg would be thrilled all around. Good luck with that.
That would be awesome, but I'd be happy with a division of CHI, DET, STL, MIN, WPG. Not that it's gonna happen

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Typical Daly denial. Denied WPG was getting a team weeks before it happned.

No need for anyone from the leauge to publicly say anything of the sort until a CBA is reached, then we'll see if this story has any real legs.
It would either be the case or not be the case. "Being considered" is just not an option. If this CBA stalemate gets resolved, there's enough difficulty in getting an appropriate short schedule up and running quickly without having to make it more complex with multiple options "being considered". So in this case, I'd have to take Daly's denial as something that has real legs.

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The problem with having all the Canadian teams together is that they will be knocking each other out of the playoffs, extending the drought of a Cup in Canada.

What I liked about this proposal: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382065

Is that if you moved Phoenix over to QC and had them slide into conference D you had the chance for an all-Canada final 4.

No...the problem is that many of the Canadian teams just aren't any good right now. Most aren't even making the playoffs TO knock one another out.

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Swap schedules... Columbus to southeast, Minnesota to Central, and Winnipeg to Northwest...
What about Detroit? They should be in the east. Problem is, who would you take out of the east?

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What about Detroit? They should be in the east. Problem is, who would you take out of the east?
Maybe expansion could solve that?

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Yes, and apparently there was a verbal "promise" to Detroit to go east, if ever there was a realignment.

But, Columbus is further east than Detroit. (As is Nashville, for that matter.)
I believe Detroit has been promised since the Leafs moved East (97 I think..?)

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Well, everyone's been denying this left and right, but this is the NHL we're talking about, and when they say one thing....

hmmm....

RUMOR CONFIRMED

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What about Detroit? They should be in the east. Problem is, who would you take out of the east?
Well that's the thing...no one in the east is further west than Detroit (before Atlanta was) and both Columbus and Nashville are further east (Nashville being in the central time zone effectively diffuses any hope they'd have of being moved east, though).


Expansion would go a long ways to solve this problem...but only if both teams are more western than Detroit, and it seems likely one would be on the west coast (read: Seattle) and one would be in eastern Canada...so those two would off-set things and again you'd just have Columbus and Detroit fighting for Winnipeg's spot in the east (even if re-alignment essentially kills the Eastern and Western Conferences, both teams are more interested in playing more games in their own time zone than anything).

Promise or no, I still think it should be Columbus moving east in the end. They're further east and they'd benefit greatly from moving into the same conference as Pittsburgh and Buffalo. Those are guaranteed sellouts at Nationwide, probably when Toronto comes to town too. If Detroit goes east then Columbus loses their one real automatic sellout in their conference. Financially it'd be better for the league to put Columbus in the east...and logically it makes more sense too.



I wouldn't be surprised if the straight swap happened this year...but I'm expecting things stay status quo for one more year and radical re-alignment takes place next year (followed by expansion in Seattle and QC within 3-4 years). Throwing re-alignment into this could complicate things that are on such a short time frame, but that time frame is a good reason to do just that. If it's a straight swap then the schedules don't need to be tweaked any from what's surely in development right now, and Columbus playing a southeast schedule would be far less of a travel hell for everyone involved in an extremely compressed schedule than Winnipeg in the southeast would.

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I'm a little confused about the re-hashing of the simple team swaps while keeping the divisions intact that the NHL has already said they don't want.

Considering early on in CBA negotiations it was mentioend hte league wants complete control over re-alignment, the 4 conference system is likely coming in following this season.

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Vancouver to Pacific
Winnipeg to Northwest
Columbus to Southeast
Dallas to Central

Minnesota wouldn't like that, but at least they'd get Winnipeg in their division. Hell of a lot closer than Vancouver.

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Detroit is fine staying where they are as along as the new scheduling system was approved. If they stay with the status quo then Detroit would raise a huge stink, but if they go to the system they were going to change to before the NHLPA pitched a fit than Detroit won't care.

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Vancouver to Pacific
Winnipeg to Northwest
Columbus to Southeast
Dallas to Central

Minnesota wouldn't like that, but at least they'd get Winnipeg in their division. Hell of a lot closer than Vancouver.
Why wouldn't Minnesota like that? Oh, I know, because Leopold wants 4 Divisions, and the above solution might just nix that idea for a while.

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Vancouver to Pacific
Winnipeg to Northwest
Columbus to Southeast
Dallas to Central

Minnesota wouldn't like that, but at least they'd get Winnipeg in their division. Hell of a lot closer than Vancouver.
I'm not sure how Vancouver would feel about being in a seperate division than Edmonton & Calgary. Both Alberta cities are the closest NHL cities to Vancouver (Calgary - 971 km; Edmonton - 1,158 km) and have historical rivalries, plus they are 1 hour flight without customs, even if it's a different time zone. San Jose would be the nearest divisional at 1,580 km and they would require customs. The one advantage is that the other Pacific teams are relativily close together (a 4 game road trip wouldn't be that bad) and they're all in the same time zone.

Does anyone know how long it takes to fly from Vancouver to San Jose & Los Angeles?

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I'm not sure how Vancouver would feel about being in a seperate division than Edmonton & Calgary. Both Alberta cities are the closest NHL cities to Vancouver (Calgary - 971 km; Edmonton - 1,158 km) and have historical rivalries, plus they are 1 hour flight without customs, even if it's a different time zone. San Jose would be the nearest divisional at 1,580 km and they would require customs. The one advantage is that the other Pacific teams are relativily close together (a 4 game road trip wouldn't be that bad) and they're all in the same time zone.

Does anyone know how long it takes to fly from Vancouver to San Jose & Los Angeles?
I know how Vancouver would feel. They'd be pissed. As would Detroit. If there was a simple solution to the probem then the league would have gone with it. The reason they went for a radical change was because they could not reach a simple a solution.

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Does anyone know how long it takes to fly from Vancouver to San Jose & Los Angeles?
VAN-SJ - about 2.5 hours (not counting any additional time due to customs/immigration)

And another hour or so to LA/Anaheim.

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What about Detroit? They should be in the east. Problem is, who would you take out of the east?
Are you indicating after CBJ already swapped with WPG? If so, then no one. Detroit stays west. Why would they want to lose the hated rivalry with the Hawks? Heck, both teams were owned at the same time by Wirtz at one point.

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Are you indicating after CBJ already swapped with WPG? If so, then no one. Detroit stays west. Why would they want to lose the hated rivalry with the Hawks? Heck, both teams were owned at the same time by Wirtz at one point.
I think the idea is that there really wouldn't be an East or West anymore. At least not until maybe the 3rd round of the playoffs. That's the only way Detroit is ok with not moving east. The Wings don't mind going to Chicago, St.Louis, etc. Their deal is having to go to the west coast more often then other eastern time zone teams, besides Columbus obviously, who need the change even worse than the Wings do.

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One thing to consider in all this "swap Winnipeg for Detroit/Columbus and be done with it" talk:

I'm pretty sure if you injected Mark Chipman with truth syrum he'd tell you the Jets don't mind playing in the East for as long as they can.

Yes, they'd like to be able to get a rivalry going with Minnesota. But that's the only real advantage to going to the West. Because the thing about the east is - all the teams are close together. The team can fly into NYC and then knock out 3 road games in 4 days without having to check out of their hotel room. Or if they do have to fly, the flights are really, really short.

But if you're in the West, almost all the teams are far from each other. Everything is a long flight. And that matters when it comes to travel costs.

It also works for fan interest too. Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin are in the East. Four of the Original Six are in the East. And 6pm local start times for away games is better than 9pm local start times.

Now of course geography does dictate that Winnipeg will eventually go to the West, and Chipman does know that too. But the Jets are not in a rush to do it.

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7 years of Doug MacLean, with almost no NHL talent to show for it during that entire time, is what stunted everything.

It's become popular to unload on current GM Scott Howson. But to be perfectly honest, look at the roster and farm system he inherited. If you look at the roster in June of 2007, it looked like an expansion draft roster that had Rick Nash on it. No other under-30 NHL talent except Nikolai Zherdev. No one in the farm system to speak of. The drafting/development has been night and day since the MacLean days, but it's not an overnight process to pull out of that.
Wow, dont ever say that on the Leaf boards, apparently it IS an overnight process.
As for the Bjs, keep em in the west. I like them and if they came over here that would have to change......

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