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12-28-2012, 10:04 PM
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I'm really not following your logic here.

I guess what I'm trying to grasp is why you would do that and burn a year out of his entry level contract as well as potentially healthy scratching him. He really hasn't dominated the WHL yet. He had an injury that kept him out for a majority of last year.
The lineup as I wrote it would obviously be subject to change and not set in stone for the entire 82-game season. Playing in a depth role in the NHL (or more, if he played well enough) could potentially do a lot more for his development than skating circles around the opposition for another year in the WHL. But it all depends.

The whole debate is kind of silly anyway, 'cause that wasn't really the point of my original post. I was talking about the strength of our d-corps as a whole if we were to add Klesla. Imagine I didn't pencil Rielly in there and instead put Blacker or Fraser, if that makes more sense to you. If Rielly isn't especially impressive in training camp, a guy like Fraser would make more sense to me too.

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12-28-2012, 10:18 PM
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The lineup as I wrote it would obviously be subject to change and not set in stone for the entire 82-game season. Playing in a depth role in the NHL (or more, if he played well enough) could potentially do a lot more for his development than skating circles around the opposition for another year in the WHL. But it all depends.

The whole debate is kind of silly anyway, 'cause that wasn't really the point of my original post. I was talking about the strength of our d-corps as a whole if we were to add Klesla. Imagine I didn't pencil Rielly in there and instead put Blacker or Fraser, if that makes more sense to you. If Rielly isn't especially impressive in training camp, a guy like Fraser would make more sense to me too.
Alright, that works for me now.

The organizational depth is going to be amazing for years to come. Any one of Granberg, Percy, Rielly, Finn or Blacker could be with the big club by the end of next year and that was something that was missing from the Leafs system for the past almost decade. The high end talent.

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12-29-2012, 11:51 AM
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Franson for Radulov rights.

Bozak, MacArthur, Komisarek
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Luongo

Lupul-Aucoin-Kessel
Radulov-Grabovski-Kulemin
JVR-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-Brown

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Holzer-Liles
Kosta/Ranger-Gardiner
Ranger/Kosta

Luongo
Reimer


Grabovski should be a better influence than Kostitsyn, being an old married man with responsibilities. Montreal didn't have a lot of love for the Kostitsyns, and as much as everyone piled on Radulov, he wasn't alone when he was out drinking. Ask Grabovski what he thinks of the Kostitsyns.

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12-29-2012, 12:46 PM
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Franson for Radulov rights.

Bozak, MacArthur, Komisarek
for
Luongo

Lupul-Aucoin-Kessel
Radulov-Grabovski-Kulemin
JVR-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-Brown

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Holzer-Liles
Kosta/Ranger-Gardiner
Ranger/Kosta

Luongo
Reimer


Grabovski should be a better influence than Kostitsyn, being an old married man with responsibilities. Montreal didn't have a lot of love for the Kostitsyns, and as much as everyone piled on Radulov, he wasn't alone when he was out drinking. Ask Grabovski what he thinks of the Kostitsyns.
Aucoin on the top line? huh?

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12-29-2012, 02:48 PM
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Alright, that works for me now.

The organizational depth is going to be amazing for years to come. Any one of Granberg, Percy, Rielly, Finn or Blacker could be with the big club by the end of next year and that was something that was missing from the Leafs system for the past almost decade. The high end talent.
I just realized I completely forgot about Ranger as well.

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12-29-2012, 03:51 PM
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Franson for Radulov rights.

Bozak, MacArthur, Komisarek
for
Luongo

Lupul-Aucoin-Kessel
Radulov-Grabovski-Kulemin
JVR-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-Brown

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Holzer-Liles
Kosta/Ranger-Gardiner
Ranger/Kosta

Luongo
Reimer


Grabovski should be a better influence than Kostitsyn, being an old married man with responsibilities. Montreal didn't have a lot of love for the Kostitsyns, and as much as everyone piled on Radulov, he wasn't alone when he was out drinking. Ask Grabovski what he thinks of the Kostitsyns.
Radulov would be a nice addition. I would do that no problem, I don't see Franson playing for the Leafs ever again and this trade I would definetely say is a high risk high reward scenario.

Money has been an issue with Radulov before I think? Toronto sponsorship deals would certainly help that.

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12-29-2012, 03:55 PM
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I really don't want Radulov on my team after what he did during the playoffs last year. Guy is the complete opposite of a team player, and not a guy I want on the Leafs.

Plus he'll probably bolt back to Russia even if we do get him to play a season

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12-29-2012, 05:04 PM
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Franson for Radulov rights.

Bozak, MacArthur, Komisarek
for
Luongo

Lupul-Aucoin-Kessel
Radulov-Grabovski-Kulemin
JVR-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-Brown

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Holzer-Liles
Kosta/Ranger-Gardiner
Ranger/Kosta

Luongo
Reimer


Grabovski should be a better influence than Kostitsyn, being an old married man with responsibilities. Montreal didn't have a lot of love for the Kostitsyns, and as much as everyone piled on Radulov, he wasn't alone when he was out drinking. Ask Grabovski what he thinks of the Kostitsyns.
Too much fail in that lineup lol.

Don't want Radulov no matter how skilled he is (at least not on this team, we need defensive/physical forwards)

Aucoin on the top line is crazy.... He wouldn't be able to hold down a bottom 6 role in the NHL.
Also that bottom 4 D is meh. We need another NHL calibre D... I don't see how a Kostka/Gards pairing can possibly work.

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12-29-2012, 05:05 PM
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Yeah Radulov is a nightmare.

While we're at it...lets call Zherdev

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12-29-2012, 09:39 PM
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Yeah Radulov is a nightmare.

While we're at it...lets call Zherdev
Obviously, Radulov would be one of the best players on the team. His last full season in the NHL he was 21, and had 26 goals and 58 points. In 18 NHL playoff games he has 6 goals 14 points.

Let's make sure we save a spot for the elite talent toiling away in the AHL.

Good think Burke only goes for the character guys like Phaneuf and Kessel.

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12-29-2012, 09:44 PM
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Argument: Radulov is a bad fit for our team because he lacks character and is not a team player.

ULF_55's defense: Radulov scores points at the rate of a second-line player and Kessel and Phaneuf also lack character.

Oh HFBoards.


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12-29-2012, 09:58 PM
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Argument: Radulov is a bad fit for our team because he lacks character and is not a team player.

ULF_55's defense: Radulov scores points at the rate of a second-line player and Kessel and Phaneuf also lack character.

Oh HFBoards.
It helps if you surround players with strong leadership, and Radulov is not the first NHL player to be caught out drinking. If he was Canadian Cherry would brand him having a few extra pops the night before a game.

The Leafs lack talent, but perhaps they also lack leadership. As long was the team looks respectable while it tee's off early.

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Yeah Radulov is a nightmare.

While we're at it...lets call Zherdev
Oh Bomber.....

Actually Radulov - Grabo - Zherdev would be a fun experiment.

See if Grabo can kick their Russian butts in gear.

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12-29-2012, 10:15 PM
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Obviously, Radulov would be one of the best players on the team. His last full season in the NHL he was 21, and had 26 goals and 58 points. In 18 NHL playoff games he has 6 goals 14 points.

Let's make sure we save a spot for the elite talent toiling away in the AHL.

Good think Burke only goes for the character guys like Phaneuf and Kessel.
Damn Ulf ...you got me there.



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Argument: Radulov is a bad fit for our team because he lacks character and is not a team player.

ULF_55's defense: Radulov scores points at the rate of a second-line player and Kessel and Phaneuf also lack character.

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Maybe I was watching a different 2010 Olympics but Radulov had as much talent as almost any Russian on their roster. HE could dangle around 3 guys in a phone booth.

Work ethic is the issue but, give Radulov some respect for his skill.

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Oh Bomber.....

Actually Radulov - Grabo - Zherdev would be a fun experiment.

See if Grabo can kick their Russian butts in gear.
It'd be pricey but ultimately worth the gamble.

Who cares at this point?

I mean really.

Who cares...throw **** at the wall..its all we've been doing anyway.

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It'd be pricey but ultimately worth the gamble.

Who cares at this point?

I mean really.

Who cares...throw **** at the wall..its all we've been doing anyway.
Right.

What's the worst that can happen? We draft top 3 overall?

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Maybe I was watching a different 2010 Olympics but Radulov had as much talent as almost any Russian on their roster. HE could dangle around 3 guys in a phone booth.

Work ethic is the issue but, give Radulov some respect for his skill.
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It'd be pricey but ultimately worth the gamble.

Who cares at this point?

I mean really.

Who cares...throw **** at the wall..its all we've been doing anyway.
Heck, with the character team we've seen lately we've averaged about 5th. worst in the league for 3 straight years.

OH NOOOOO a player who was caught breaking curfew could sink the juggernaut.

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Right.

What's the worst that can happen? We draft top 3 overall?
It is a gamble I'd be willing to take.


But maybe it is the cost of Franson the bench warmer that bothers some people?

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Right.

What's the worst that can happen? We draft top 3 overall?
Exactly!

Im down with some Drouin.

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Heck, with the character team we've seen lately we've averaged about 5th. worst in the league for 3 straight years.

OH NOOOOO a player who was caught breaking curfew could sink the juggernaut. .
Could be worse I suppose...didn't Ian White and Jason Blake take half the team on helicopter tours around Southern Ontario after curfew?

Radulov would be pretty tame by our standards!

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Heck, with the character team we've seen lately we've averaged about 5th. worst in the league for 3 straight years.

OH NOOOOO a player who was caught breaking curfew could sink the juggernaut.



It is a gamble I'd be willing to take.


But maybe it is the cost of Franson the bench warmer that bothers some people?
The benchwarmer that apparently doesn't want to play here anyway.

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Heck, with the character team we've seen lately we've averaged about 5th. worst in the league for 3 straight years.

OH NOOOOO a player who was caught breaking curfew could sink the juggernaut.



It is a gamble I'd be willing to take.


But maybe it is the cost of Franson the bench warmer that bothers some people?
The talent is undeniable. And he's another talented former 1st rounder with some issues in his current city. Sounds familiar. Burke seems to target guys like that.

The age is right. If the price is right then why not see if he fits with Grabs and JVR on the 2nd line?

Other teams would have to at least respect the offensive threat of that line.

Radulov and Kessel on the PP sounds good as well.

There is just too much talent to not try it if the price is right.

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Exactly!

Im down with some Drouin.
What about McKinnon? Let's think big.

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Could be worse I suppose...didn't Ian White and Jason Blake take half the team on helicopter tours around Southern Ontario after curfew?

Radulov would be pretty tame by our standards!
I just read a book of locker room stories from the LEafs dressing room. Staying out late with the boys is a minor deal.

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12-30-2012, 11:07 PM
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best case realistic scenario in my mind :

Sign Getzlaf + Perry
Trade Komisarek + 2nd Round Pick + Rynnas for Luongo
Trade Kulemin + Gunnarsson + Franson for Girardi + 3rd Round Pick/Prospect

JVR - Getzlaf - Perry
Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Frattin - Grabovski - Kadri
Brown - McClement - Biggs/Broll/Devane/Komarov/Orr


Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Girardi
Liles - Holzer/Ranger/Fraser/Blacker/Kostka

Luongo
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Trade Komisarek + 2nd Round Pick + Rynnas for Luongo
I can guarantee you that the Canucks wouldn't accept that.
If that's all that Burke was offering, the Canucks would probably
1. get a better offer from Florida and accept that
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2. waive Luongo so we don't have to deal with Komisarek's horrible cap hit (with the salary cap going down to ~$60 mil)

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best case realistic scenario in my mind :

Sign Getzlaf + Perry
Trade Komisarek + 2nd Round Pick + Rynnas for Luongo
Trade Kulemin + Gunnarsson + Franson for Girardi + 3rd Round Pick/Prospect

JVR - Getzlaf - Perry
Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Frattin - Grabovski - Kadri
Brown - McClement - Biggs/Broll/Devane/Komarov/Orr


Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Girardi
Liles - Holzer/Ranger/Fraser/Blacker/Kostka

Luongo
Reimer
lol if we made those deals (which would never happen), Girardi would be top pairing.

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