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12-30-2012, 02:15 PM
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You, as someone who has NO idea as to the going ons of the dressing room, makes ridiculous assumptions that Subban is having a negative impact on the team. You have absolutely no reasoning or definitive evidence, save for "heat of the moment" altercations between teammates in a bad season for everyone. The only fist fight I've ever been in was with my best friend. Friends and teammates don't always have to get along, conflict is BOUND to arise. Stop with trying to give away Subban for lesser pieces because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Trying to pry Bogosian out of Winnipeg is hardly a lesser piece. I doubt they would even contemplate it anyway. There seemed to be 4 heat of the moment altercations last year with teammates and subban was in every one of them. I know just a coincidence. Then there was the Darche interview when Subban piped in saying " what is this your retirement interview" ? But Darche politely asked the reporters to give pk some attention. Or did you see the look patches gave subban the time he almost tore his head off with a slapshot. It just seems to me that pk gotta be in the spotlight all the time. You can't seriously tell me that the stick swinging incident with Desharnais didn't alarm you.

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12-30-2012, 02:31 PM
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Dude, I saw that 'subban-desharnais incident' and it was nothing, literally, nothing.... Subban checking too hard, tiny man whining a bit... Come on now...

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12-30-2012, 02:38 PM
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I don't really think Montreal is looking for a rebuild. It seems pretty clear that they just tanked for a pick late last season when they realized they weren't making the playoffs.

They'll be in the running for a low playoff spot when hockey returns.

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12-30-2012, 02:55 PM
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dude subban is an intense player, you can't ask him to go in a corner and be quiet ( like kostitsin was ), at least the coach don't have motivate him to get him in the game. He is passionated so sometime that intensity that he continue to show in practice disturb his teamates and this is normal especially when you have a bad season.

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12-30-2012, 03:01 PM
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I respect your strong support for Subban. He is a workhorse and incredible talent. Myself if i could have bogo or subban , i would take bogo. I have a feeling that the first time that subban gets a little to fancy or showboating that the new coach will nip it in the bud very quickly. These heat of the moment altercations i hope will be a thing of the past. I think it is very important that teammates get along because you run the danger of small cliques forming which are never good for team chemistry.

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12-30-2012, 03:05 PM
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well you're free to have your opinion but I do not agree

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12-30-2012, 03:13 PM
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I'd be very tempted. Throw in Raymond and you've got a deal. I'll even throw a 3rd in there or perhaps a 2nd.

Maybe I'm just high on Gaunce though.
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No need for Raymond at all.


Gaunce and a 1st is fair value. It also gives us a good problem later on. Who's the 3rd line centre ? Eller,or Gaunce ? Or, maybe Gaunce can move to wing.
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Done. Much as it would be comical a player that annoys me on my favorite goes to my second favorite team.

I do believe Raymond could find his niche again, especially on a team more geared his style. He needs linemates to cover for his deficiencies when gaining the zone. A problem is Kesler tends to rely on only himself in those scenarios, whereas Pacioretty or Cole are liable to grind the boards and leave Raymond to do his thing. If he can settle down and not attempt physicality, Raymond is a great speedster defensive player. I wouldn't line him up with Gionta though. He needs a bigger linemate. Even if Gio plays bigger than his size suggests.
Yes too all of this. Even with addition of Kaberle and Raymond, I think we could have a trade to be done, but.....we would be taking a lot of salary...so I think we'd have to negotiate a little more, but I like the basis.

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12-30-2012, 03:36 PM
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dude subban is an intense player, you can't ask him to go in a corner and be quiet ( like kostitsin was ), at least the coach don't have motivate him to get him in the game. He is passionated so sometime that intensity that he continue to show in practice disturb his teamates and this is normal especially when you have a bad season.
Well i would be the first to admit that Subban will be untouchable if he matures and these incidents become a thing of the past. I really believe that Therrien will quickly illustrate that this is his team and if anyone wants to put himself before the team that he will put them in their place quickly. I just have this nagging feeling that we haven't seen the last of these STUPID incidents.

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12-30-2012, 04:08 PM
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I don't really think Montreal is looking for a rebuild. It seems pretty clear that they just tanked for a pick late last season when they realized they weren't making the playoffs.

They'll be in the running for a low playoff spot when hockey returns.
We would still have Desharnais, Galchenyuk and Eller as centers, so trading Plekanec does not mean total rebuild. It's all about get top talent on the wings to assure longterm success. We have an awesome core now, we jut have a couple holes to fill out and Plekanec is the best bet for max value.

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12-30-2012, 05:27 PM
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Lets get back on topic, Sweech would you do a trade in the mold of Plekanec for Trouba + cond 2013 1rst (Jets choose if its 2013 or 2014)

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12-30-2012, 05:32 PM
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btw we could keep plekanec and just put galchenyuk at his left

gally - plecky - gionta
pacc - desharnais - cole

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12-30-2012, 09:43 PM
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Make the firsat unconditional and we could have a deal.

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12-30-2012, 10:02 PM
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Lets get back on topic, Sweech would you do a trade in the mold of Plekanec for Trouba + cond 2013 1rst (Jets choose if its 2013 or 2014)
Habs fan here and there's no way the Jets go for that. I'm sure they wouldn't trade Trouba straight up for Pleks.

I'd think about offerring Eller for Trouba, Eller being worth more then Pleks on account of age plus I'd doubt Pleks would lift his NTC to play for the Jets.

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12-30-2012, 11:32 PM
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Tyler Biggs + Brad Ross or Joshua Leivo + 2nd in 2013

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12-31-2012, 02:46 AM
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Habs fan here and there's no way the Jets go for that. I'm sure they wouldn't trade Trouba straight up for Pleks.

I'd think about offerring Eller for Trouba, Eller being worth more then Pleks on account of age plus I'd doubt Pleks would lift his NTC to play for the Jets.
I think Trouba is worth Eller but Pleks is a 1b centre or a great 2, two way centreman, he's worth Trouba + Wellwood? Not 100% on Trouba's value, but its far less than Pleks imo.

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12-31-2012, 03:21 AM
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Hjalmarsson, Saad, and Jimmy Hayes for Plekanec, Weber, and a 2013 3rd.
You just basically added to Chicago and not Montreal in terms of value. Not fair for Chicago imo

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12-31-2012, 09:22 AM
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You just basically added to Chicago and not Montreal in terms of value. Not fair for Chicago imo
I have managed to get agreements from Hawks fans in other threads for a package of: Plekanec + 3rd for Saad, Jimmy Hayes, and 1st. However, that was with the 70 million salary cap. With a 60 million dollar cap, and Plekanec's salary, I had to put Hjalmarsson into the deal for salary purposes, replacing the 2013 1st which, to be fair, Montreal would prefer. Hjalmarsson is not worth a 1st in the 2013 draft, but he is good enough to play for us and helps balance Plekanec's salary hit.

It might need tweaking, but I think it is fair. Weber might need to be replaced with a different prospect depending upon what Chicago might want.

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12-31-2012, 11:10 AM
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You just basically added to Chicago and not Montreal in terms of value. Not fair for Chicago imo
That plus what the heck are the Habs suppose to do with Hjalmarsson? We have Markov, Emelin, Gorges, Subban, Kaberle, Bouillon, Diaz and Weber + Tinordi and Beaulieu are really close to being NHL ready. We don't need any defensmen.

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12-31-2012, 01:48 PM
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Just so we're on record here.



Plekanec
Kaberle



Raymond
Gaunce
1st

Obviously prefer no Kaberle but with a possible amnesty buyout. He is a non-issue.

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12-31-2012, 02:18 PM
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Just so we're on record here.



Plekanec
Kaberle



Raymond
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Obviously prefer no Kaberle but with a possible amnesty buyout. He is a non-issue.
Why would Montreal get/or want Gaunce? We already have Bournival, Vail, Leblanc and maybe Geoffrion who I think are equal to Gaunce. Plus we have 3 - 2nd round picks in this draft, if we need someone like that then that will be the time to get a player like Gaunce.

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12-31-2012, 03:43 PM
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Why would Montreal get/or want Gaunce? We already have Bournival, Vail, Leblanc and maybe Geoffrion who I think are equal to Gaunce. Plus we have 3 - 2nd round picks in this draft, if we need someone like that then that will be the time to get a player like Gaunce.
I know some Canuck fans would be against this but seeing as how our window is closing would any MTL fans be willing to do Kassian and Raymond for Plekanec?

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12-31-2012, 06:24 PM
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I think Trouba is worth Eller but Pleks is a 1b centre or a great 2, two way centreman, he's worth Trouba + Wellwood? Not 100% on Trouba's value, but its far less than Pleks imo.
What in the name of god would you want wellwood for ? I hope it's for a spot in the front office or something. We've had enough little guys since forever. Think big.

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12-31-2012, 06:27 PM
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I know some Canuck fans would be against this but seeing as how our window is closing would any MTL fans be willing to do Kassian and Raymond for Plekanec?
Kassian, Gaunce and a first maybe but you can keep Raymond.

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12-31-2012, 06:44 PM
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Well I would love to have Bogosian on the habs. What else with Plekanac would be needed to make this happen?
How times change, lol. I remember when Atlanta fans wanted to dump Bogosian for almost anything of value.

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12-31-2012, 07:04 PM
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How times change, lol. I remember when Atlanta fans wanted to dump Bogosian for almost anything of value.
It happens with defenceman all the time. It takes 5-6 yrs before they really get comfy. (some exceptions). Watching Seth Jones, I think he is an exception. If i had the first overall pick today, it would be him. For a big lad, he can move.

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